Funny Cartoon sparks Islamic Jihad !
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UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 18:50
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Except of course if it's Christianity that is the religion in question, as it appears.
get ready i'm about to annoy people.
i'm not as...excised about this as some. maybe i'm not as cynical is i think i am.
but i will say this Denmark while it dose have a farley large and i believe growing non Christian population. it is still a majority Christian (this included the nominal coulter Christians) nation. also with the nature of the mag in question (which seams to be at lest right leaning) the clear majority of there readers and subscribers would be of some description Christian. in other words it could easily be just a wish not to adversely affect sales. like the man said he didn't think there readers would be interested in it.
also my understanding is that it they went' looking for the Mohamed pic's for a specific editor. brought about by the original author being unable to find anybody to do the illustration for them (in other words thay were trying to be provocative in the first place).
well my 2 cents.
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Also has to be said that in the US you can watch Christ fighting Santa Claus on South Park and even in the deep south nobody is burning buildings.
In the UK we frequently do things that are at least sacriligous without riots? Remember the not the 9 O'Clock news sketch "General Synods The life of Monty Python" and "Are you a Gay Christian?" Or the Spitting Image God or the Pope?
I argue that expecting an Arab culture 600 years "younger" than Christianity to behave as we do now is perhaps expecting too much. I also think a lot of it is being encouraged by some Arab governments. Muslims actually in Denmark I think have a right to be upset, as I'm sure Christians would be of some depictions of Christ. I expect them to complain, boycott even demonstrate, not to try to use this to enflame public opinion elsewhere.
When the Spitting Image Pope played his banjo on TV British Catholics didnt try to provoke Italians to burn the British Embassy in Rome, if they found it offensive they used the mechanism our society has to protest. What these Imans in Denmark were doing was the religious equivalent of running and telling tales to your mum rather than fight their own battles. Rather than use the mechanisms for peacefull protest in Denmark they tried to enhance their power by getting others to attack Danish assets abroad. It's the Bully Pulpit method.
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Originally posted by Walkerhound:
the radical's are the minority and vast majority of the Muslim population is made up of moderates that are opposed to there actions. first what are you basing that on?
It's quite simple really, the fact that the majority are always moderates, no matter what religion they believe, you never find the majority as extremists, that’s why they're called extremists, if the extreme was the norm, it wouldn't be an extreme.
Further more there are more Muslims OUTSIDE of the Middle East, and it's plain that not all Middle Eastern Muslims are extremists.
But since you believe that politicians are making the adverse case, here are Bush Jr’s own words for you:
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"Some call this evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism. Whatever it's called, this ideology is very different from the religion of Islam. This form of radicalism exploits Islam to serve a violent, political vision: the establishment, by terrorism and subversion and insurgency, of a totalitarian empire that denies all political and religious freedom."
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almost every politiation devotes a part off every speech about the war on terror to this supposition, but what are they going on. hope, political crectines, common wisdom, or is there some sort of prof.
Maybe in America, but before you or the politicians wish me to accept that the Fundamentalists are in the majority you’re going to have to show ME proof, not just empty political rhetoric.
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then agine if it is true it is one thing to say i wont personally get involved in that sort of action but with out the follow through to then say but i will get personally involved in combating it. well with out that i don't know how much i care realy.
What are you saying? That moderate Muslims aren't combating the extremists? Maybe your media doesn't carry those stories (which should be a question in and of it self) but mine certainly does and I hear about it pretty much daily.
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the grate cultreal/religuous forces of this world are basically the same (at lest in regards to actions). well how, why do you say that. in the hear and now, how many conters or part's of countries run there judicial systems under cannon law? going by majority whether a country is western or Islamic were are you more likely to find: judicial maiming as an ongoing punishment. the outlawing of political opposition. the outlawing of non "correct" religious beliefs and practices. were was the last man sent to jail and given hundreds of lashes for in part "practicing witch craft" and disrespecting the religion of _____. were is your wife most likly to be beaten with a stick on the street while you are berated for letting her go out side dressed like that. no i see no way that the cultures of the west and the cultures of "Islam" are equal.
I never compared the current cultures of the west and the Middle East, in fact that is pretty much the complete opposite of what I did. I stated quite clearly that it was culture NOT religion that was the problem. How much more clearly can I put it? It seems you are reading into my post what you want to find?
Frankly in order to demonise Islam and excuse Christianity you have to demonstrate that the same does not happen under strict Christian law, it doesn't matter if that is today or a millennium ago, because the religions are still the same.
We are now living in a secular society and culture in the west, where Christianity has a diminishing influence on our behaviour, in order to make a fair comparison between the religions of Islam and Christianity you have to look at western culture when it was not secular and when it was operating under Christian law.
Frankly people are no better off under strict Christian law, so how can you say that Islam is at fault but Christianity isn't? It seems to me that the problem is using a religion as law, not what religion that happens to be. Thus it makes no sense to me to accuse Islam of bein
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Ok I think we have to take into account whats really going on here. This is my theory. Senior Al Quida leadership obviously looked at this situation and decided to send out antagonist to whip the public into a fury over this, spark violent demonstrations to provoke severe reactions from western countrys to condem islamic states and their people to then in turn spark even more severe reactions from the people (Islamic / eastern) to ultimatley spark the final jihad and cause open war in all countrys.
(Paranoid Hollywood scenario)
My view on this is kind of crude but im a simple man. Coming from a western country Ill put it like this. If there is a religion that calls for the destruction of your people and your culture, to me that defines a enemy, if the nations that harbor this religion are terroist states where the people prove every day they are willing to kill for their beliefs, that pretty much defines itself as a very dangerous enemy to my people. Now these peoples behavior is traced all the way to the root casue of their religion.
Basically theres two solutions.
1. Convince these people their religion is wrong and evil and make them switch (Espically considering their religion was founded hundreds of years after other religions proving to me that its obviously not the correct religion (Hey look at joe he has a cool religion, lets start our own and tell people it was the real one!!))
2. To totally eliminate this threat and provide stability and safety to not only your country but to the world.
You are never going to be able to coexist with people who want your world and your culture to be destroyed. It is written into their culture at the most basic of levles. What Hitler did to the jews was a truley awful thing. But what happens if the jews were evil predators who preyed on the innocent in the name of false rightousness? Then maybe it wouldnt be such a bad thing, I just think that unless people smarten up and stop being so ridiculous the scenario of mass unified genociadal armies is a possibility and one im willing to back if people cannot except the fact they must coexist, and still decide they want to wipe my people off the face of the planet.
Cant we all just get along??
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Islam doesn't call for our destruction, and Islam isn't evil, like all religions it has the potential to be twisted or misinterpreted into something evil. I'll go out on a limb and say at least half the problems of the world today are a direct result of the expansion of Christian empires yesterday, especially in places like the Middle East and Africa.
So if you wish to call Islam evil, fine, so is Christianity.
Prey since you've already invoked Godwin’s law by mentioning the Nazis I'll run with it. The biggest reason I'm here defending the RELIGION of Islam to the hilt is because of Hitler and his final solution. The media coverage afforded Islam and Muslims strikes me as so similar to Anti-Jew Nazi propaganda it scares me deeply. You talk about Islam being a great enemy, well my friend that's EXACTLY what the majority of Germans thought about Jews.
Here’s an actual slogan used in German media of the time to illustrate my point:
"The Jew is our greatest enemy, beware of the Jew."
Der Sturmer (prominent Nazi propaganda paper) ran contests encouraging German children to write in. One of those letters from a little girl read like this:
"People are so bothered by the way we're treating the Jews. They can't understand it, because they are God's creatures. But cockroaches are also God's creatures, and we destroy them."
Or another article that sounds similar not just to what you have written, but also to what permeates the media today. This is the first paragraph to "Die Juden sind schuld!"("The Jews are Guilty!") by Joseph Goebbels, first printed in the weekly newspaper Das Reich on the 16th of November 1941:
The historic responsibility of world Jewry for the outbreak and widening of this war has been proven so clearly that it does not need to be talked about any further. The Jews wanted war, and now they have it. But the Führer's prophecy of 30 January 1939 to the German Reichstag is also being fulfilled: If international finance Jewry should succeed in plunging the world into war once again, the result will be not the Bolshevization of the world and thereby the victory of the Jews, but rather the destruction of the Jewish race in Europe.
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Originally posted by Prey:
1. Convince these people their religion is wrong and evil and make them switch (Espically considering their religion was founded hundreds of years after other religions proving to me that its obviously not the correct religion (Hey look at joe he has a cool religion, lets start our own and tell people it was the real one!!))
Yes Christians should give up their religion, the Druids were around, what a thousands years beforehand, and then you have the Religion of the Ancient Greeks, Romans and Egyptians. There’s the Sumerians, Babylonians and Persians who all had their own religions long before Christianity. Buddhism is older than Christianity too, so obviously it is right and Christianity is wrong. Is this really what passes as an argument?
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2. To totally eliminate this threat and provide stability and safety to not only your country but to the world.
The Jews are responsible for the war. The treatment they receive from us is hardly unjust. They have deserved it all.
Joseph Goebbels, 1941.
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What Hitler did to the jews was a truley awful thing. But what happens if the jews were evil predators who preyed on the innocent in the name of false rightousness?
According to Hitler and Nazi propaganda they were. Where do you get the idea Islam wants to harm you...?
But yeah, Hitler’s fine example is defiantly one we want to emulate...
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Then maybe it wouldnt be such a bad thing, I just think that unless people smarten up and stop being so ridiculous the scenario of mass unified genociadal armies is a possibility and one im willing to back if people cannot except the fact they must coexist, and still decide they want to wipe my people off the face of the planet.
This is by far the scariest thing anyone has ever said on these forums. Pe
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All im saying is if people want to kill and cause trouble (The Extreme), and we cant get them to listen to reason, do we allow them to keep causing trouble or do we destroy them?
Heres a analogy, you and your family decide you want to adopt a pet, you go to the pound, you see a ragged dog who looks kind of mean, but you feel bad for him, you decide to adopt him, give him a good home show him a good life, maybe the dog dosnt want anything to do with you and never wanted to be adopted in the first place, but you did it because you knew if you didnt try to help him he would have been put to sleep. So you get the dog home and he starts biting and hurting your family and children, you try to teach him, you try to give him chances, but it continues, finally he mauls one of your children so bad you decide to bring him in the back yard and shoot him, knowing he would just be killed off at the pound.
Im sick of seeing the kids get bit, im sick of seeing the dog get reprimanded, its time to take it out back and put it down for the good of the family.
And I would appreciate it if you didnt compare my scenario to hitler vs the jews, this is totally different, the jews werent firebombing german school houses and cafes, suicide bombing german soldiers in cars to provoke the german reaction, I sympathize with the jews and agree the germans are evil and Hitler should forever be spit on.
You say this is the scariest thing ever said on this forum, but to me what is scary is people getting away with murdering the innocent, murdering people trying to help other people, and you thinking those doing such evil should be left unpunished??? Round em up and put em in camps?? I think they should be executed in the cold dawn of a desert morning overlooking the graveyard nation they helped create.
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Originally posted by Prey:
All im saying is ... (massive deletion for sake of brevity) they helped create.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
(I apologize for vastly trimming your post, but this thread already takes weeks to load for me. And besides, I agreed with all of it, anyhow.)
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Originally posted by Prey:
Im sick of seeing the kids get bit, im sick of seeing the dog get reprimanded, its time to take it out back and put it down for the good of the family.
And if the family of which you speak happens to go around killing and mauling dogs?
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And I would appreciate it if you didnt compare my scenario to hitler vs the jews, this is totally different, the jews werent firebombing german school houses and cafes, suicide bombing german soldiers in cars to provoke the german reaction, I sympathize with the jews and agree the germans are evil and Hitler should forever be spit on.
How about you argue against what I say, rather than the argument that you wanted to hear. I never said the situations of the Jews and the Nazis and the Muslims and the West were the same, I said the propaganda currently being used against Muslims and Islam is remarkably similar to Nazi propaganda used against Jews and Judaism.
I'm sorry you don't like it but if you knew anything about Islam and saw what was being said about Islam in the popular press you'd realise how similar the propaganda actually is.
Also, saying I don't like it isn't an argument to the contrary, I don't like it, I don't like the fact that we as a people still have learnt anything from Nazi Germany.
But here we go; I like this little comment, the Germans ARE evil. Not the Nazis were evil, the Germans ARE...
Ever been too Germany? I have, lived and worked. The Germans aren't evil. You do enjoy labeling anyone and anything that isn't you evil.
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You say this is the scariest thing ever said on this forum, but to me what is scary is people getting away with murdering the innocent, murdering people trying to help other people, and you thinking those doing such evil should be left unpunished???
Yes, me too but I'm not the one who said they'd support global war (that's you) or suggesting murder or anything else (again that's you). My point is and always has been the Islam is not an evil religion, and by demonising Islam we're moving dangerously close to the fourth Reich.
It is also somewhat amusing to me that you think all the Western powers are trying to do is help other people. You obviously have done no research on the Iraq war outside of Fox News, and have no historical perspective whatsoever.
If the Iraq war was fought purely to help the poor Iraqis (which it wasn't) it would be the first war in history fought for that reason. The war in Iraq was fought for:
Oil
Rebuilding contracts for American companies
Protecting Western Interests
Note the absence of "bring democracy to the fuzzy-wuzzys or some such". That is at worst an excuse to put a happy face on this war for them that'll believe it, and at best a happy side effect.
So yeah, I'm sick of people excusing and supporting murders, but that ain't what I'm doing, that's what YOU are doing.
But you’re right; we've certainly helped a lot of Iraqis (off this mortal coil). I realise you want to see it as all their fault, you are unable to take responsibility yourself for things done in your name, but I'm afraid reported casualty rates for Iraqi CIVILIANS since the beginning of the war is between 28427 and 32041. But hey it's alright they're subhuman dogs, right.
And of course we’ve suffered so much more…
So anyway you want to call Islam evil then fine, Christianity is also evil, as is Judaism, Buddhism and in fact all religions.
Some Christian extremism:
Uganda:
Christian rebels of the Lord's Resistance Army are conducting a civil war in the north of Uganda. Their goal is a Christian theocracy whose laws are based on the Ten Commandments. They abduct about 2,000 children a year who are enslaved and/or raped.
Northern Ireland:
After 3,600 killings and assassinations over 30 years, some progress has been made in the form of a ceasefire and an independent status for the country.
Kosovo:
There is a lot of evidence to suggest Serbian Orthodox Christians have committed mass murder again
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You can tie me up in fancy snares of words all day long, this is a basic point in all your stuttering around the fact to make yourself look intellegent is unneccesary. I say Kill people who want to kill us, You can say no, or agree, you dont have to quote history and go on a giant binge picking me apart.
If you want to read between the lines with Iraq its pretty simple (Yes you brought it up), yes we did it to help ourselves mainly, but the goal to help ourselves will benefit all the world. I belive that the stabalization of Iraq will slowly lead to the the stabalization of the entire middle east as people slowly see that its better to be free of the yoke of cruel governments. Opressed people crying out will give the US reason to launch further invasions in the name of good and set up puppet states, so eventually we will stabalize a region long hostile towards us, and guess what, we might gain ourselves some natural resources. Did you think we were going to destroy regiemes of evil and build new infastructure for free?? Our the lives of our men and woman defending our country so cheap that we can expect to gain nothing in our endavors? Of course not. People act like its a bad thing we might get some oil out of this, or whatever else.
Would you go kill your friends husband who was beating her and ruining her life, and then build her a entire new house and expect nothing in return??
P.S
I apologize for saying the german people, obviously I was referring to the Nazi's.
And give me a break with the nazi / jew comparisons, im talking about eliminating warring terroists, not a innocent race. I dont want to kill arabians, I dont want a holocaust aganst the Arabs or whatever race is in question.
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Originally posted by Prey:
but the goal to help ourselves will benefit all the world.
The U.S. got nothing out of the First World War, yet our boys shed their blood on the fields of France for a war that accomplished nothing for anyone -- and, if anything, just planted the seeds for the next one.
The U.S. emerged as a global power out of the Second World War, but only because everyone else was fighting at home. When you fight at home, your infrastructure gets smashed, your people get displaced, etc. But the U.S. did not enter the Second World War with the consideration of emerging as a global power. As a matter-of-fact, the U.S. army was ranked around 17th in 1939 (below Poland's). And for the first several years of that war, we were losing. If not for the grace of God, that we were not being attacked at home (having two vast oceans separating us from the two aggressors), and that we had a huge industrial infrastructure to support our military, we could've easily fallen to the same fate as Poland, France or the Philippines.
And what did we do after the war? Did we colonize Germany and Japan, and make them our 49th & 50th states? No. We helped rebuild them. Who else do you know defeats an aggressor nation, then spends billions to help rebuild them?
If the U.S. military was like most others throughout history, it would've raped the land, taken everything, and left nothing but ashes after the defeat of its enemies. It never has.
How people can't see that is beyond my understanding. In my opinion, anyone who thinks the U.S. does this for its own glory is firing a few pistons short in their engine compartment.
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