Objects in Space Question

POSTED BY: Light1984
UPDATED: Friday, February 17, 2006 03:19
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LIGHT1984

Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:26 AM

Ok, so i just got done watching that episode again, and I noticed something when River was "Hearing" everyones thoughts at the beginning. My question is, do you think she was actually hearing what people thought, or do you think she was fabricating what the others had to say based on what she felt. The reason I personally dont think these were the other crews' actually thoughts, is because Book had said something along the lines of he didnt care if she was innocent or not, which by itself would be fine, but the way he said it, it was just out of character. There is no indication to me throughout the rest of the series that he would ever have negative feelings like that. By negative I mean spiteful towards someone in a vulnerable situation. What are your thoughts?

GRIMJACK21502

Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:04 AM

Book is a lot more than what we see in his "Shepherd" persona.

As for his "thoughts" in Objects in Space, I always felt River was reading a past memory. Something that still had a prominent spot in Book's subconscious. A hint into the man he used to be...or maybe still is.

He wasn't always a Shepherd...if he ever was a Shepherd ;)

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young

MISTERDRGN

Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:10 AM

I'd say she was definitely reading their minds. Pretty much all of the things she read were out of character because no character acts the same way they think. Book's line was rather mysterious, but then Book's always been mysterious.

GORBISHUN

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:06 AM

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Originally posted by MisterDrgn:
I'd say she was definitely reading their minds. Pretty much all of the things she read were out of character because no character acts the same way they think. Book's line was rather mysterious, but then Book's always been mysterious.

I tend to agree with you. How someone acts can be completely different from how they think.

Plus, like you said, Book is quite a mystery.

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Also... I can kill you with my brain.

THIEFJEHAT

Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:56 AM

This issue has been discussed many times on this board and the overwhelming consensus is that River is reading pasts and futures of the characters.

Jayne's comment is from the past when he was trapped in the airlock in the episode Ariel.

Simon's comment is delivered to Kaylee in OIS after the dinning room meeting breaks up and he and kaylee are alone in the passageway. He delivers the line "I would be there right now" then moves to kiss Kaylee and Book steps in the way.

Book's comment is from dark deeds in his past. Most people think he delivers this line to a captive Independence soldier during the Unification War. Since the show didn't continue we never got the flashback sequence to shed light on it.

Inara's comment refers to the theory that she is sick, possibly terminal. This was what she said to her doctor prior to learning the bad news.

Mal's comment is the grandest mystery and could mean anything.

One thing all the comments have in common is that they all represent dark secrets the characters are hiding. Also important is the fact that Kaylee delivers no line. Joss said of Kaylee that she wears all her emotions on her sleeve. She has no dark secrets that River could read. This is also why River feels most at ease with Kaylee and when she is sane she plays at being a girly girl with Kaylee (Playing jacks and talking about boys....Running with apples...ect)

River was projecting when she saw the readings. At the episodes outset she is hearing the voices of the other 8 crew members as she sleeps. She is at home with these people and their thoughts comfort her. Then Early's voice cuts off the other voices (Early says "We're all just floating") and that's when River snaps awake. Early doesn't belong. She then proceeds to take a psychic journey through Serenity. Joss made a point to show River's bare feet to us to illistrate how connected she is to everything, Serenity included. The crew does not react to her presence since she isn't there physically.

In regards to the vision statements the crew members deliver to her, there are lots of posts on each one deeper in the threads on this site.

Do not fear me. Ours is a peaceful race, and we must live in harmony.

GORBISHUN

Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:09 AM

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Originally posted by thiefjehat:
One thing all the comments have in common is that they all represent dark secrets the characters are hiding.

There's the homerun hit. That's exactly what it is. Dark secrets...

Plus, everything else you said was very IQ raising, thanks! :þ

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Also... I can kill you with my brain.

DAVESHAYNE

Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:23 AM

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Originally posted by Gorbishun:
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Originally posted by thiefjehat:
One thing all the comments have in common is that they all represent dark secrets the characters are hiding.

There's the homerun hit. That's exactly what it is. Dark secrets...

Plus, everything else you said was very IQ raising, thanks! :þ

«°-:-°»
Also... I can kill you with my brain.

Well I don't think Simon's is particualrly dark or particularly a secret. Sure Simon wishes he could convince River that he didn't throw his previous conception of a life away for her but she was onto his little ruse as early as Safe. Otherwise spot on with the dirty secret thing.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

GORBISHUN

Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:58 AM

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
Well I don't think Simon's is particualrly dark or particularly a secret. Sure Simon wishes he could convince River that he didn't throw his previous conception of a life away for her but she was onto his little ruse as early as Safe. Otherwise spot on with the dirty secret thing.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

It's true that he knows she knows he threw his previous life away to save her, but that's not what matters most. He tries to convince her that it's perfectly alright with him, that he doesn't care. He tries to hide any feelings of "homesickness." Not that he regrets saving River, but he obviously has remorse.

That, in Simon's mind, must be enough to agitate him to the point of River Picking up the "Signal."

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Also... I can kill you with my brain.

DAVESHAYNE

Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:11 AM

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Originally posted by Gorbishun:
That, in Simon's mind, must be enough to agitate him to the point of River Picking up the "Signal."

Well yes but River already knew what he was trying to hide. I supose this could be an example of Simon being a boob though. Not realizing that River new he was putting up a front.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

GORBISHUN

Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:26 AM

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
Well yes but River already knew what he was trying to hide. I supose this could be an example of Simon being a boob though. Not realizing that River new he was putting up a front.

Yea... I think you're right. River already knew but Simon, in his boob-like way, was still making a big deal out of it.

Not that it didn't upset River to hear, or feel, him think it.

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Also... I can kill you with my brain.

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