Why was river in a box?
POSTED BY: themantheycalledJames
UPDATED: Saturday, April 22, 2006 15:44
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must..resist...impulse...to...snark...at...fox...
Huh, no use.
Apart from the marvellous explainations given above (the reasons why in the pilot and the fact that they always changes things for movies)
they had to have River in a box at the start of the series so that Fox could give away the very good 'whats in the box?' two parter cliffhanger.
And ruin the surprise for everyone.
oh, a good bitch does set one up for the day!
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"She's a mite whimsical in the brainpan."
Xander: "Hi, for those of you who just tuned in, everyone here is a crazy person." *grin*
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Okay, first of all, Simon was, if not out-and-out lying, at least not offering the whole truth when he said others had broken River out. And why not? He didn't know Serenity's crew from Adam at that point. Besides, saying he'd broken her out up close and personal would have sounded like bragging, even if it was true.
The "others" did help sneak River out--by providing the cryo-cube, which was probably already listed as cargo on a manifest bound for Persephone. Simon followed separately, probably not even on the same ship, the better to bung up Alliance security. And the effects of Mal breaking her out of cryo prematurely may explain why River seems so much more disoriented in the early episodes compared to the movie's flashback scenes.
The novelization provides some detail on the people who helped Simon with the jailbreak (Academy break?), going so far as to establish one of them as the person who provided the false ID's on "Ariel". Not necessarily canon, I know, but not unreasonable either.
"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
2 Why was she naked?
Curse you all. Now I can't get the thought out of my head that at some point Simon had to undress his sister!! That is really creepy. I think I am going to need therapy.
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
*wanders in, reads thread title*
'Cause if she'd been in a jar, everyone could've seen her.
*wanders out*
I just have to say I found this ver' funny. Ver' funny indeed.
David
You wanna go, Little Man?
Only if it's someplace nice with candle light.
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If you look at the Serenity (episode) shooting script the movie does contradict it. On the other hand if you just watch the episode the movie doesn't contradict it at all, so I don't see why people have to say, "Well it was changed for the movie."
Yes it was changed for the movie, but since the movie fits into it perfectly I don't see why people have to bring it up. No contradictions in what is on screen is a good thing, why not just be happy with that and forget that there was an off-screen plan that changed?
I mean it's like saying Kaylee not throwing out the part in Serenity (movie) is a contradiction because the original plan was to have get rid of it.
If what is on screen doesn't contradict there is no contradictions.
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Originally posted by Murkymerc:
Curse you all. Now I can't get the thought out of my head that at some point Simon had to undress his sister!! That is really creepy. I think I am going to need therapy.
Two things, the first is that she could have undressed herself and hopped in the box. The second I've decided not to mention but I figure I'll leave you to wonder what it is.
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Originally posted by Murkymerc:
Curse you all. Now I can't get the thought out of my head that at some point Simon had to undress his sister!! That is really creepy. I think I am going to need therapy.
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Two things, the first is that she could have undressed herself and hopped in the box. The second I've decided not to mention but I figure I'll leave you to wonder what it is.
I just had a really pathetic thought. Since I have this on dvd I have the option of pausing on that scene and checking out Summer's naked curves.
That does it, I might need to get some hobbies.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
If you look at the Serenity (episode) shooting script the movie does contradict it. On the other hand if you just watch the episode the movie doesn't contradict it at all, so I don't see why people have to say, "Well it was changed for the movie."
Maybe because JOss has stated outright that he contradicted the story told in the series, because he wanted a dramatic rescue scene for the film.
That said, he's said since then that he's adopted the fanwank you've already seen here about Simon lying in the series.
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2 Why was she naked?
My guess is that it has to do with the mechanics of being in cryo.
Joss: "Uh, yeah... mechanics of cyro, right... That's why..."
As much as I would like to think that Joss is getting us all off on his actor/actress nudity, I wish to point out this: IF you empathise with River -- what she has gone through, what she is going through -- and the fact that in the Serenity ep, not only does she wake up disoriented, in an unknown place with no one she knows in sight, she wakes up start-raving naked. Literally.
Sound like a bad dream? Ever dream you get to work/school/the f*cking dog park with no clothes on? Uncomfortable, ain't it? Imagine the same situation with a little life-threatening thrown in. 'Nuff said.
Joss knows how to scare us with our own (uncomfortable) humanity. We're just lucky his TV/movie naked people are prettier than most folks.
So, from a screenwriter's point of view, if you wished to elicit sympathy/empathy for River; wanted to exemplify how vulnerable and easily victimized she could be, having her be sans clothes isn't prurient, it's good story telling.
"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas
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Originally posted by Hera:
...having her be sans clothes isn't prurient, it's good story telling.
And I, for one, really, really appreciate good story telling!
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Originally posted by Hera:
So, from a screenwriter's point of view, if you wished to elicit sympathy/empathy for River; wanted to exemplify how vulnerable and easily victimized she could be, having her be sans clothes isn't prurient, it's good story telling.
Exactly. I fancy Summer Glau as much as the next man but when River jumped out of the box I was thinking "ahhh, someone get the poor girl some clothes," and not "oooh sexy - show us more!". Credit to the acting, directing and script for making me think that.
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