Bush Admistration hurts students with cuts to financial aid and other programs

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UPDATED: Sunday, February 12, 2006 05:51
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FLETCH2

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 4:52 PM

Hero, I'm massively impressed, nicely thought out solution to the needs of your course. I have known people that worked security or night desk at small hotels because it gave them time to study at night. My night times were spent hiding in the university buildings until the doors were locked so I could spend the whole night programming on the college multiuser system. Life would have been so much easier had laptops been available back then.

The joining the Dems idea is truely inspired, damn, wish I'd thought of that one.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, February 8, 2006 12:32 AM

Citizen, yeah, I knew that, which is why I said 'not enough oil' because if there was enough oil, we'd be there. But also, the part about forming a mid east union as a power block has to be noted.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:10 PM

I only have one word: Fantastic! I hope there is more to come. It's about time the Bush administration started curbing the entitlement spending.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:14 AM

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I only have one word: Fantastic! I hope there is more to come. It's about time the Bush administration started curbing the entitlement spending.

Finn, I thought this was a dumb comment, a clay pigeon that needed shooting down. Bush is not curbing spending in any way shape or form here, and it does cut future revenue, as I showed pretty clearly. Bush's agenda on the student aid thing is simple and one-fold: To increase student loan debt.

Student loan debt is a high-interest, rapidly growing field of lowlife loansharking, and Bush's Saudi friends are knee-deep, no make that neck-deep, in it. He wants to help his friends earn money to make Saudi Arabia rich and powerful while making America poor and stupid.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:28 AM

Yeah, this is just a moronic think to say. Anyone who thinks this loansharking bullshit is in any way intelligent is not in any position to judge the dumbness of my comment, so I’m not the least bit concerned.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

CHRISTHECYNIC

Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:43 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
I say, with all due respect, get off yer lazy asses and work for your education! I aint yer daddy, so I quit asking me to pay!

Ok, since the other one ran away I'll ask you: how are students meant to fit in a third job?

I mean we know that they are out their on their lazy asses working only two full time jobs on top of being full time students, and I agree they should get off their lazy fucking asses and not ask for a damn bit of help. I mean every one else had to work their way through school why shouldn't they?

So enlightened one with half the student loans, tell me how you fit in your third job and I'll pass the message along to the people who are so lazy they only have two full time jobs.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:19 AM

Whatever,

It was a dumb comment, as was that. Bush, fiscally responsible? Please, give me a break. If you're bugged by the partisan bias of universities, say so, I did, but don't go knocking the idea of investing in education because it just looks moronic. I didn't mean to be hostile, but you did, so here it comes back again.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:39 AM

I’m a proponent of investing in education; I always have been. That doesn’t change the fact that the government needs to cut back on spending. They’ve been slicing my funding left and right, and I’m also a proponent of my funding. I’m thrilled that they are cutting into the entitlement spending as well. Of course, you won’t give Bush credit for anything. (I think you actually expected me to buy that little Saudi Arabia crap. ) We can debate all day on whether Bush is fiscally responsibly, (we won’t, but we could), but in the end, that wasn’t my point.

The bias on universities is a separate issue, and in my mind has nothing to do with the issue of government education loans and grants.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:44 AM

Finn,

1. No we couldn't debate all day whether Bush is fiscally responsible. It's an absurd position. That's like when my local democrats try to argue that Bin Laden is a good person, which they do.

2. I don't get funding.

3. Bush needs to cut way way way back on spending, but education should be the last place to cut, not because it's most important, but because it generates revenue. Cut your drains first, don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

4. I'm not going all Michael Moore here on the Saudis, but here's a country that actually does support Al Qaeda and they are making much more off of this US corruption than any Americans. If that means that I'm saying Mr. Moore has a point, well, then, Mr. Moore has a point. Doesn't mean I support his other positions.

5. Pell grants aren't entitlement spending. Entitlements are really things that people are entitled to. This means the govt. owes them this money, regardless. Lke Soc. Sec., medicare, SSI, SSD, etc. Pell grants are NOT entitlement spending, as they are only given towards tuiting if you are enrolled in class, if you drop out of school you don't get pell grants sent to your home. This by definition makes it's not an entitlement. It's not even a subsidy, since it is given to the college only if the college takes on this extra student, so it's not free cash to stay in business. What it really is, is a voucher, much like the vouchers we have been trying to push through for the last 15 years. Pell grant is a good program, it sends money to capitalist enterprise for performing services, thus bolstering the economy and raising the earning power of the workforce. It's about as conservative spending program as the fed. govt. has.

6. If you want to talk entitlement spending, check out Bush's new monster healthcare spending. This dwarfs anything he's saving by not funding education. Sure, I'd like to see entitlement spending hacked and slashed. This is not what this is about. If entitlement spending actually up and disappeared I wouldn't take it amiss.

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Of course, you won’t give Bush credit for anything.

Bush earns my contempt daily. Every time I think I'm going to give him a break, he f^&ks up again.

But you're right, I will never give Bush credit for anything because Bush will never earn credit for everything. I look at everyone's actions anew each day, and always give them the benefit of the doubt, and the Bush Admin has always been consistantly bad. But Bush himself will never get credit. He's less than a man. He can't talk, he can't read or write, he can't add numbers. The man is an actor playing president. Even if his policies were aces, he would deserve no credit. He's less there than Reagan. But when Reagan had good policy, Bush Sr. was probably due most of the credit. When G.W. Bush sucks, Cheney should be getting all of the blame, so my apologies. I think Bush is a deranged individual, as a person, but absolutely nothing as a leader. He's the friendly face of Dick Cheney.

But occassionally I have given the admin. credit for things, probably half a dozen times on this forum. But there's no escaping that the bad seriously outweighs the good here. I'm not saying we should bring Clinton back, in fact I think he never left.

What really surprises me no end is that people can love Clinton and hate Bush, or vice versa. For the most part, I can't tell one from the other. Economically, Clinton was more stable because Perot made his budget policy for him. Negatively, the Clinton govt. interfered more in the regular business of America. But the overall administration, I think it's one and the same. It's had the same policy on international affairs, the environment, the EU, Israel/Paletine, Iraq, Al Qaeda, Education, Healthcare, and for the most part Civil Liberties. I really this it was the Cheney/Clinton admin because Cheney had more pull than Gore ever did, and now it's the Cheney/Bush admin. It's really same 'ol same 'ol. I don't know what the rest of you are on about.

Finally, anyone who actually gave a damn about any

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:51 AM

Well, good luck with that, then.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

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