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ASARIAN

Friday, February 10, 2006 3:47 PM

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Originally posted by Amiton:

It kind of strikes me as funny...especially when River went to the Academy at 12 and was so deeply "immersed" in the program.

River went to the Academy when she was 14, I believe.

As for the s*x and River thing, I could stand to hear a little less. :) *shudder*

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

AMITON

Friday, February 10, 2006 4:04 PM

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River went to the Academy when she was 14, I believe.

You're right...my mistake =)

I hate it when my memory fails me so. It's still kind of weird, though =)

Amiton.

ARCLIGHT

Friday, February 10, 2006 4:17 PM

Jayne Cobb's cunning hat uses the same colors as Serenity's nose art.

DUG

Friday, February 10, 2006 4:33 PM

In the movie when Serenity is being repaired Zoe is shown welding the windows on the bridge. It took a couple of viewings until I realized she was repairing the damage from the telephone poles.

Just think about that for a minute...

SHAMBLEAU

Friday, February 10, 2006 5:23 PM

In the beginning of the pilot, there's the famous scene where Zoe tells Mal that help's not coming. We watch while all Mal's beliefs drain out of him, everything that connected him to others, that grounded him, so to speak.

And the very next scene we see is Mal floating in space, drifting and weightless. Brilliant metaphor.

I also liked that when the Alliance ships are landing, the scene is beautiful. They could have shot it as ugly and horrific. It reminds me of the scene in Blade Runner, where the last replicant is dying and talking about the terrible beauty of starships exploding off Orion. Or of the scene in The Body, on Buffy, where she's staring out the doorway after finding her mother's body, and you hear the sounds of children playing, someone practicing piano, life just going on.

CASIVONA

Friday, February 10, 2006 5:46 PM

Something ever so subtle that I noticed in OiS. Nothing of real significance, though. Right before Early actually gets in Serenity, the camera shot shows Mal going down into this bunk, it pans around and slightly passes the hatch that Early enters from. You see the shaft of light as the hatch opens, and the camera pans back to it, as if it weren't expecting that it happen. I just though that simple move was kinda cool.

Also, I'm curious if anyone has noticed the Motorola logo in the beginning of the first episode?

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ASARIAN

Friday, February 10, 2006 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by Amiton:
Quote:

River went to the Academy when she was 14, I believe.

You're right...my mistake =)

I hate it when my memory fails me so. It's still kind of weird, though =)

Amiton.

Hey, what can I say, memories may come and go, but browncoat friends accumulate. :)

Okay, regaining composure now, on the outtakes in the BDM, I believe there's a scene where Inara says she's been in the companion training house since she was 12. So, maybe you got the two confused? :)

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

AMITON

Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:13 AM

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Originally posted by asarian:
Hey, what can I say, memories may come and go, but browncoat friends accumulate. :)

Okay, regaining composure now, on the outtakes in the BDM, I believe there's a scene where Inara says she's been in the companion training house since she was 12. So, maybe you got the two confused? :)

I appreciate the vote of confidence, but I think it's just a senior moment more than anything =p I'd actually completely glazed over anything relating age with the Companion Training house =\

It's all smiles!

Amiton.

ASARIAN

Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:19 AM

I apologize if this is already common knowledge; but yesterday, watching "War Stories" again, I noticed something shiny about our Mr. Reynolds that I hadn't realized before.

Remember when Mal gets up, half dazed still, turns to Niska, and says: "You wanna meet the real me now?" In any other movie/series, this line would just have been put in for laughs. But yesterday it suddenly dawned on me, that Niska *did* meet the real Mal, because Mal... didn't kill him! As he told Simon: "If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me. And you'll be armed." Niska, at the time, was neither facing him, nor armed. Captain made the choice he said he would.

Just thought that was really classy, is all.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

2X2

Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:21 PM

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Originally posted by Avatar37:
"In the very last scene with Inara... she has absolutely no makeup on."

I don't think she was giving up being a companion so much as finally feeling comfortable enough around Mal and Serenity as to finally start treating it like her home. Previously, she always made a point that the shuttle was her home. I think, in her own way, it was her way of showing Mal that she loves him.

This is one of my favourite scenes, just because she looks so young and innocent - the real Inara, soft and open, no Companion facade, and I don't mean just makeup... I love her smile in this scene so much... but enough about that!

There are a couple things to consider with this scene, I think... one is that they've presumably spent a fair amount of time docked while they repair Serenity, and they've been working on her, the kind of work that, really, it doesn't make much sense to get made up for. Secondly, remember that she only left one trunk of 'sundries' and such on board Serenity, and left the training house in rather a hurry with Mal, so, it's also very possible that she doesn't actully have much in the way of makeup or shiny clothes at the moment... which I think would lead perfectly into your thought Avatar37, that by the end of the movie, she has become comfortable without her Mask - and I believe her Companion composure that has always kept her separate - through happy circumstance and, yes, I also believe she is acknowledging, to herself as much to Mal, her love for him as well as Serenity, as well as new found respect for Mal. She's seen him rise to the occassion, be willing to sacrifice everythign for what is right, and she has discovered that, hey, guess what? Mal wasn't so wrong about the Alliance after all, they aren't the shiny benevolent organization that Inara, raised in the Core of Core planets has grown up believing (and I know she's been aware of this through what's happened to River and Simon, but I believe that she has only now, after Miranda, come to truely believe in the 'wrongness' the Alliance is capable of, and has committed - a lifetime of belief is a hard thing to change, and it's much easier to fool yourself into disregarding a lot of evidence in order to maintain the comfort of your beliefs, but after the horror of Miranda, Inara has had no choice but to face the illusion of that belief - and losing belief is a powerful thing, like being lost without a compass. But there's Mal, and now, after Mirande and his moral and even noble actions, I think she has committed herself to him, and his beliefs, and she has a lot mroe respect for him than she did before. She's now treating him as The Captain, the respect is just there, naturally, unconsciously, without the sarcasm to obsure it ... There's no calm, assured response from her when he asks if she's ready to leave again. Instead, she's hesitant, and openly vulnerable as she, in reality, is asking his permission to be allowed to stay, waiting on his reply to know if she's still welcome or not. It's a very different dynamic for their relationship up till this point, and demonstrates just how much the events of the movie have changed them. As Joss states in his commentary, there is such a feeling of potential between Mal and Inara after this scene, and as I mentioned, I love her smile. To me, that is her most stunningly beautiful look in the entire franchise... that smile just makes my toes curl with happiness...

But anyway, I hope this hasn't been too much of a babbling ramble, and is still sort of ontopic for this conversation... it touches a nerve, as I said, being one of my favourite scenes in the entire franchise.... and sometimes when I start going on, I discover all kinds of things I didn't even realize I felt or knew myself, and I always love some character exploration, so thanks for this topic, and the discussion about this scene in particular...

And now I'll shut up ;o)

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