I know the truth...do you know the truth...

POSTED BY: CaptBryan
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CAPTBRYAN

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 8:55 PM

Yep... you got that right.

Yep... you got that right?

So the Twin Towers didnt really fall?

So the TWin Towers didnt really fall.

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Saying that God authored confusion by creating Lucifer is like saying my sniper rifle goes out all by itself and shoots people 2 miles away so I dont get into trouble.

Ridin the Ocean's boring when there aint no waves

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 9:01 PM

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Originally posted by CaptBryan:
So the Twin Towers didnt really fall?

So the TWin Towers didnt really fall.

I suppose that depends on the twin towers in question, and if you mean the obvious one my answer is that they did not really fall. If you watch the footage, which I have not desire to see again, they don't remotely fall, the collapse, which is a very, very different thing.

Yes, I can nitpick with the best of them.

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Why did no one respond to:
VERITAS NUNQUAM PERIT

I thought it was really good and on topic and enlightened sounding.

CAPTBRYAN

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 9:12 PM

My Latin sucks...I think.

The Truth is I know enough Latin to make me look foolish ... which is some thing I do quite well.

I think thats Latin.
Well if I think its Latin then it is...Right?

Well now Im confused...I think.

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Saying that God authored confusion by creating Lucifer is like saying my sniper rifle goes out all by itself and shoots people 2 miles away so I dont get into trouble.

Ridin the Ocean's boring when there aint no waves

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 9:17 PM

It is Latin, it means, "Truth never dies."

STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 9:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaptBryan:

So the Twin Towers didnt really fall?

So the TWin Towers didnt really fall.

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Saying that God authored confusion by creating Lucifer is like saying my sniper rifle goes out all by itself and shoots people 2 miles away so I dont get into trouble.

Ridin the Ocean's boring when there aint no waves

Now you're getting into truth vs. fact, which is an entirely different discussion in many ways.

Now, assuming you mean the WTC towers, then yes, I would agree that the truth is they fell (or collapsed - semantics aside). That is a fact.

Now, when you get beyond the facts is when the truth is harder to find. To most people, the truth is, that day was a tragedy. But to some others, thier truth is that day was a victory. Which is not to say that I even remotely agree, or think that is any way true, but that does not change the fact that to some people, that is very much the truth they see. Truths can get very messy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 9:30 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Now you're getting into truth vs. fact, which is an entirely different discussion in many ways.

Now, assuming you mean the WTC towers, then yes, I would agree that the truth is they fell (or collapsed - semantics aside). That is a fact.

Now, when you get beyond the facts is when the truth is harder to find. To most people, the truth is, that day was a tragedy. But to some others, thier truth is that day was a victory. Which is not to say that I even remotely agree, or think that is any way true, but that does not change the fact that to some people, that is very much the truth they see. Truths can get very messy.

I just wanted to point out how (I'm sorry I can't think of another word) true this is.

A lot of people get confused when some philosophers say, "There is no such thing as truth," because they assume the philosophers mean, "There is no such thing as fact." In fact (hard to escape these words isnt it?) no philosopher I have ever heard of, nor anyone else I've heard of in a legal state of mind, believes that.

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I should have used the word, "correct," in my first sentance, but I'm leaving it as is to avoid dragging in another concept and to show that I couldn't think of another word, which is part of what makes this hard to talk about.

CARTOON

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 9:53 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
The only truth is that there is no such thing as truth. Just perceptions of reality.

Is that statement true or false?

If that statement is true, then that statement is false.

As such, I see a problem with that statement.

Like the person who says "There's no absolute truth." Well, that very statement is making an absolute truth ("that there is no absolute truth") -- so the very statement contradicts itself.

See what you started, Captain? Why couldn't you start a non-controversial topic like George Lucas, ewoks, or disco?

BTW, it's true that I agree with everything you posted above.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 10:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:
Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
The only truth is that there is no such thing as truth. Just perceptions of reality.

Is that statement true or false?

If that statement is true, then that statement is false.

As such, I see a problem with that statement.

Like the person who says "There's no absolute truth." Well, that very statement is making an absolute truth ("that there is no absolute truth") -- so the very statement contradicts itself.

So, how about there is probably no absolute truth, maybe, but we're not entirely sure?

Works for me.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

OKCBROWNCOAT

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 10:04 PM

Depends on your definition of facts, and also of truth. You can observe an event, but your perspective on said event could be very much different from someone standing, say, immediately to your left.

For example, depending on your perspective your truth could be Fox is a flawed network that sometimes makes questionable decisions in regard to programming decisions... or you could think they're a bunch of idiots that know jack about running a network and it's a miracle they're still on the air.

Personally, any network that airs the Simpsons can't be all bad (even if that's the only thing I ever watch on Fox anymore.)

"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 10:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:
Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
The only truth is that there is no such thing as truth. Just perceptions of reality.

Is that statement true or false?

I had to do an essay on whether or not the statement: "There is no objective truth," was a contradiction once.

The answer is, "Hell yes," but even so the only people who see it as a contradiction are nitpickers (like me) who have no common sense (unlike me, I may not have much, but I have a little.)

What the statement is clearly meant to say is, "There is only one objective truth and that is that there are no other objective truths." It's just too wordy (more than twice as long) and the meaning can be gotten much easier by having the contradiction that only the very dull will not understand is not contradictory when looked at with common sense.

Similarly, "The only truth is that there is no such thing as truth." Clearly means "The only truth is that there is no such thing as truth beyond this one truth."

I assume, from the smiley face, that you know this. But I had to write an entire essay on it.

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