Centuries old statue of Buddha blown up in Afghanistan; Fundamentalist Buddhists go on violent rampage!
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UPDATED: Monday, September 15, 2025 17:14
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Quote:Citizen, point well made.
Originally posted by citizen:
Faten watched a Boy Scouts parade from the balcony of her Ramallah home, the 22-year-old Christian Palestinian was dragged into the living room and bludgeoned to death with an iron bar. Her father was arrested for the murder.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1512394,00.html
Nigeria is a Christian and Muslim state, this isn't a punishment reserved for Muslims or meted out only by Muslims. Sorry, Christians do it too. If you want to look for a place to support your argument that Muslims are evil and Christians are saints might want to pick somewhere other than Nigeria.
However, I'd say that Honour killings and general Medevil madness stem from simple tribal mentality, a mentality that, as mentioned above, has no place in 21st century globalization. Their religion (the wacky part) is going to die, and they're going to go out with a bang, obviously.
Hmmm, Buddha....
Here's where I'm from on this.
I incorperate certain Buddhist elements into my 'beliefs'. I would never presume to teach my 'beliefs' to anyone, even my son. I encourage him to seek out his own path. So in my view, to organize a way of believing with rules and such is taking the religion out of the equation, and replacing it with control. Therefore I believe all organized religions to be phoney, unless they encourage exploration outside the system as part of the system.
Way Independent Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
However, I'd say that Honour killings and general Medevil madness stem from simple tribal mentality, a mentality that, as mentioned above, has no place in 21st century globalization. Their religion (the wacky part) is going to die, and they're going to go out with a bang, obviously.
I agree, what gets to me is comments amounting to how we should destroy Islam because it's EVIL. Sorry most of, if not all this stuff is cultural, it's not the religion. You want to destroy Islam and call it evil you HAVE to extend that to ALL religions. Including Buddhism as it appears.
Maybe religions are like people, just on a greater scale, they need nurturing when younger, they grow through a more violent 'teenager' period, then they chill out a bit.
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I incorperate certain Buddhist elements into my 'beliefs'. I would never presume to teach my 'beliefs' to anyone, even my son. I encourage him to seek out his own path. So in my view, to organize a way of believing with rules and such is taking the religion out of the equation, and replacing it with control. Therefore I believe all organized religions to be phoney, unless they encourage exploration outside the system as part of the system.
Pretty much what I believe.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.
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Quote:Yep.
Originally posted by citizen:
I agree, what gets to me is comments amounting to how we should destroy Islam because it's EVIL. Sorry most of, if not all this stuff is cultural, it's not the religion.
Imagine if a small group of twisted FF fans bombed a Fox office, and suddenly news stories had 'Browncoats are Terrorists' all over them; any group or religion can be tagged with the 'Evil' label. Although, you'd better believe I'd be out there peacefully protesting those nuts in an attempt to promote the Browncoats' true nature!!!
Chrisisall, forgiving Fox
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Chrisisall, forgiving Fox
For they know not what they do...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.
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Quote:Doesn't mean they're not dumasses...
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:
Chrisisall, forgiving Fox
For they know not what they do...
Just okay Chrisisall
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Originally posted by citizen:
Maybe religions are like people, just on a greater scale, they need nurturing when younger, they grow through a more violent 'teenager' period, then they chill out a bit.
I think it's actually a culture thing. While a culture believes that those that rule it derive their power from a "divine being" then it invests in those leaders the most dangerous form of arbitory authority "Do what I say because God says so."
That's why the following statement is the most profound in human history
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
Power lies with the people, the only authority anyone has over them is that they _choose_ to give to their rulers, not some arbitary authority those rulers claim from a god or a holy book.
People have power over their own lives and with this power comes responsability, you can no longer get away with being a Ahole and claim that you were "just doing God's will."
People don't "Honour kill" their daughters because God commands it. They did it because they are ineffectual, stupid little aholes without the moral gumption to stand against stupid traditions. What makes them even sadder is that they then try to avoid responsability for their actions by claiming their religion "made them do it." It didn't, they had the power to choose and they chose badly.
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Exactly.
A few months back, I read about a guy who killed all his children. The oldest was accused of sleeping with someone. No proof was offered, just the accusation. He killed her and then killed his other, younger children (all girls), just in case they might bring shame to his house someday.
If I remember correctly, this guy actualy did get put away, but a lot don't.
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Quote:This ain't gonna sound very Buddhist of me, but that's my feeling as well.
Originally posted by Fletch2:
People don't "Honour kill" their daughters because God commands it. They did it because they are ineffectual, stupid little aholes without the moral gumption to stand against stupid traditions.
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Steppin' out to Eden, Yea, brother Chrisisall
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Theres a lot of Christian v Islam, West v east stuff flying around, but to be honest, the way I see it, thats almost besides the point.
People seem to be forgetting that a lot of truly depraved and disgusting stuff can be done by secular people as well, people who hate everyone, or a particular group of people, or who don't even have a focus they just hate.
The only difference between them and the religious nut-jobs is that they operate alone - finding others who share their particular fanaticism and are prepared to go to the same extremes is a very long and risky process. So they gain the title of serial killer or 'lone gunman'. Where as within an organised religion you have a ready made pool of candidates, you just sound them out. The fanatics feed off each other, finding something to focus their hate on and magnifying it tenfold, and the sheep tag along for the ride.
With these extremist groups I often get the impression that the people screaming don't particularly care what they are screaming, just as long as they are - those people who turn up to otherwise peaceful protests with little regard for what its about and turn it into a riot - football holigans! They are all varying degrees of the same thing. Religion and culture have almost nothing to do with it, they are only there for the violence.
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Xander: "Hi, for those of you who just tuned in, everyone here is a crazy person." *grin*
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This is why I'm a Wayist. No major badness in Wayist history ('cause it technically won't exist until several hundred years from now). 
Although, there is the fact that the Annointed One raped, murdered, and devoured (by proxy) a holy man. . .
(It's an Andromeda thing. Basically what Chrisisall said earlier, about encouraging exploration of other religions. "Wayists don't convert people, we simply seek to show them that they are already Wayists." --Reverend Behemiel Far-Traveller)
Quote:This post made me laugh so hard, I now have the hiccups. Thank you.
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Chrisisall, forgiving Fox
For they know not what they do...
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