Centuries old statue of Buddha blown up in Afghanistan; Fundamentalist Buddhists go on violent rampage!

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 3:15 AM

Thanks so much, Zisker, that was real interesting. I, myself, am only vaguely aware of similar happenings in China, and the Buddhist monks of Shaolin, and their political dealings (and violent destruction).

So I guess no religion has a 100% crap-free track record, huh?

*Bows to scholarly Browncoat brother*

Chrisisall, in need of meditation

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 4:17 AM

Just thought I'd weigh in here. No particular reason.

Yeah, everyone has baggage, that's history for you.

I think the cartoon makes a valid point, that Mohammed was a highway robber before he found God, and that many of his followers were former brigands. The religion after Mohammed's death got very much a 'convert by the sword' image because many of the disciples returned to brigand like behavior in the spreading of the faith. This nature may have come down through the years and given credence to things like Al Qaeda when they claim to be true followers of the faith.

Christianity is probably way off course. But it went awry with Paul. Paul didn't really know Jesus, and neither did Saint John the divine. They saw a so called 'Jesus' in their visions, but they might just be madmen with no connection to the Christ. If we take their word as gospel, the whole religion becomes something else. Most of the new christians of the end times set follow only the new testament, and more or less only paul and revelations. Their Jesus is not Jesus who lived, but the Jesus of the second coming, an anti-christ if you will. All of this taken into account, they aren't that off course, just very off course from the actual non-fictional Jesus.

I could apologize to anyone this post would offend but you would know I didn't really mean it, so I'll put this proviso: don't go blow things up because of it :)

Anyway, even Taoism spent a long time off course. The Tao was just the way, like the faith, it didn't accord a set of beliefs, anything might have been the Tao before Lao. Afterwords, much of it resorted to a sort of voodoo. Today the govt. of China discourages but tolerates taoism. It's curious to think that someone who was advisor to an imperial monarch could be considered too moderate for a 21st century govt. to the point of making the govt. worry.

Falun Gong, by contrast, is a racket, and one the govt. is probably right to strike down with a firey vengeance. Freedom of religion doesn't extend to human sacrafice.

ZISKER

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 4:45 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

So I guess no religion has a 100% crap-free track record, huh?

*Bows to scholarly Browncoat brother*

Chrisisall, in need of meditation

Nope, we're all screwed

That's why I don't sweat the religion thing too much.

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KHYRON

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 5:13 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So I guess no religion has a 100% crap-free track record, huh?

What about the Mormons? Did they blow anything up yet? Maybe Mormonism is the true religion of peace and tranquility...

Then again, it's comparatively young. Christianity was also quite peaceful way in the beginning, so maybe in 200 years we'll have the Mormonic World Wars or something.

CAUSAL

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 5:23 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
It wasn't long ago that Christians were burning people at the stake and by comparison Muslims were the enlightened ones.

At one time Islam was teaching religious tolerance and Christianity was violently opposing anyone who wasn't Christian, or wasn't the right type of Christian. Let’s try not to get too blinkered and high and mighty.

Mmmm...ad hominem...

Is this a knock against Christians? Or is it an excusal of militant Islam? Or just a poor argument? Perhaps a combination? Or maybe all three...

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CAUSAL

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 5:27 AM

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Also Christians, lets not forget the Crusades ;). Not exactly yer brightest moment.

Again, ad hominem. Just saying.

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And as Jew, I can tell you that us getting insulted by others eating pork is nothing like someone making a comical depiction of the Muhhummad. Nothing. The only way you can insult us with pork is by killing a pig in our temple, something those Roman bastards did.

Actually, Antiochus was a Greek.

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SWAMPREAVER

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 5:32 AM

Basically - the reason that most Muslim countries are so angry is that they are the last ones to the Globalization dinnertable. The have a very high poverty and illiteracy rate, a large young popualtion with little or no economic future. Its been proven that when the rate of literacy increases and when the rate of a regions economy increases that means people reliance on religion decreases. People who are smarter and richer are less religious (for the most part). With globalization comes western ideas of schooling and secularism. When a society becomes modernized by globalization - the old traditional society dies. These peoples civilization are on the brink of collapse and there are a lot of them who cant give up the ghost. Their religion is so intertwined with their society that any change in their society means change to their religion. Basically we are dragging them kicking and screaming into the modern,secular 21st century. And that in my opinion is a good thing.

CAUSAL

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 5:37 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
News flash there are sects of Christianity that are just as oppressive as anything in the Muslim world today.

Are you aware of the controversy in Pakistan over the practice of honor killings? Woman gets raped, so the father kills her to remove the taint on the family's honor. Can you name a current Christian sect practicing such a thing? Also, are you aware of the woman in Nigeria who was sentenced to death by stoning for adultery? Or that the same sentence can be used in Iran? Name a Christian sect still stoning people for adultery? Don't white wash what's happening by accusing others of the same things (especially baselessly). Let's not distract from the issue at hand.

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CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 1:09 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
Mmmm...ad hominem...

Is this a knock against Christians? Or is it an excusal of militant Islam? Or just a poor argument? Perhaps a combination? Or maybe all three...

At least it is an argument, poor or otherwise, beyond a blatant personal attack.

And actually its none of those, your ability to miss the point is worthy of song. I'm not excusing Muslim extremism, and I'm not attacking Christianity, unless you think quoting historical fact as it pertains to your (I presume) religion is an attack, hmmm... Interesting...

It's aimed at the attitude that they and they're religion are evil, and we and our Religions are good. I point this out and I am shouted down for ad hominem attacks on the Christian Religion.

I hadn't realised that I'm not allowed to say bad things about Christianity

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 1:48 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
Are you aware of the controversy in Pakistan over the practice of honor killings? Woman gets raped, so the father kills her to remove the taint on the family's honor.

Yes, obviously a fair bit more than you are. These honour killings have also taken place in (notably) Britain and Germany as well as many other countries outside Pakistan. But again before you get so high and mighty lets just remember that this isn’t limited to Muslims.

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Can you name a current Christian sect practicing such a thing?

Oh wait, for what is this! A Christian Honour killing:

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as Faten watched a Boy Scouts parade from the balcony of her Ramallah home, the 22-year-old Christian Palestinian was dragged into the living room and bludgeoned to death with an iron bar. Her father was arrested for the murder.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1512394,00.html
I wait the “yeah but, but, but” reply.

Europe has had the custom since ancient Empires operating under Christian law.

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Also, are you aware of the woman in Nigeria who was sentenced to death by stoning for adultery? Or that the same sentence can be used in Iran?

Yes of course I am; you seem blissfully unaware that Nigeria is a Christian and Muslim state, this isn't a punishment reserved for Muslims or meted out only by Muslims. Sorry, Christians do it too. If you want to look for a place to support your argument that Muslims are evil and Christians are saints might want to pick somewhere other than Nigeria.

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Don't white wash what's happening by accusing others of the same things (especially baselessly). Let's not distract from the issue at hand.

Don’t cause more evil in the world with your holier than thou attitude, don’t act like your shit don’t stink, don’t make things worse by acting like we’re the happy good little centre of the world and these people and their religion is evil.

White wash? You mean like the one you make by excusing Christianity of all crimes while demonising others for theirs? Double standards are one of the biggest problems of the world.

There’s a few facts here you are missing. Like for instance the fact that Jyllands-Posten’s editor wasn’t prepared to print a cartoon about Christianity in 2003 because of a possible out cry.

Seems that we only need religious tolerance and sensitivity if we’re talking about the children of Christ, of course this is not hypocritical in anyway.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

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