No aliens in the 'Verse...How do you feel?
POSTED BY: BWare42
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 8, 2006 03:25
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It's actually very refreshing when compared to some sci-fi shows like "Star Trek" where a completely new intelligent alien race is introduced every episode.
Just want to point out, for no reason at all, that some of those races were damn good. I think the line, "Darmok and Jalad at Tenagra," will be with me forever though I don't actually know how to spell it.
This is very much true, and that was a very interesting episode...and I hope what I said wasn't interpreted as a bash at "Star Trek."
I didn't take it like that at all. Like I said I was really saying that for no reason, other than the fact that I wanted to say it, but I don't know why I did.
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Originally posted by StillFree:
I understand the point about Native Americans being an important part of the American frontier, but that's an aspect that Joss has chosen not to include. Oh wait, he did: the Reavers. Maybe in a horribly stereotyped way, but the legends of "Injuns" used to include wild, primitive, inhuman raiders wantonly murdering and performing perverse acts. I don't think Joss meant it in that way, though.
Actually he did. The whole point was to take the horrible stereotype and strip all else away while still leaving them as believable humans.
They didn’t have their land taken away, they don’t have a recognizable culture. They are “Injuns” instead of Indians (as every descendant/tribe-member I have met calls them) or “Native Americans” as non-natives I have met call them.
At the same time in spite of lacking saving graces they are in a very real sense human. We know that if you give a group a little push, or jumpstart them with drugs as the case may be, they could, and would under the right circumstances, create a culture like that which would perpetuate itself long after the cause had gone away.
People can believably be the stereotype without any of the reality factored in, and that is what Joss tried for, the western version of the Indian rather than the real version.
Of course that was just a starting point.
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Originally posted by Cleaner:
Nothing is mentioned but I take it there is no such thing as faster than light travel in FF (correct me if I'm wrong) and it a very big verse.
You're right on there.
Not a damn thing faster than light in the verse.
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It took more than a generation to get to the system on-ship, factor in time dilation and that amount of ship time can get you a long distance, they could have blown by life and never noticed, there could be no life within a hundred generations or more.
They didn't have time to look, they didn't try to look, and the odds of them finding it in the one system they went to are more or less nil.
No one here seems to think it is unrealistic that they didn't find aliens, but I wanted to point that out again.
The 'verse is the same thing as today, there could be life, there could not be life, what you believe is based only on what you take for granted. Going to another solar system and not finding life doesn't change the evidence at all.
Now going to a few million randomly selected other solar systems and not finding life might change the evidence, but not one. It's the coin toss odds, Life evolved in one solar system (ours) but not in another (Firefly's.) One for two. How is that different from one for one when you're not even saying, "Life exists in most systems," and certainly not, "Life exists in every one."
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Originally posted by JaysonAych:
It's actually very refreshing when compared to some sci-fi shows like "Star Trek" where a completely new intelligent alien race is introduced every episode.
Just want to point out, for no reason at all, that some of those races were damn good. I think the line, "Darmok and Jalad at Tenagra," will be with me forever though I don't actually know how to spell it.
This is very much true, and that was a very interesting episode...and I hope what I said wasn't interpreted as a bash at "Star Trek."
I didn't take it like that at all. Like I said I was really saying that for no reason, other than the fact that I wanted to say it, but I don't know why I did.
I know...cool...I just wanted to be sure that I was clear
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ChrisTheCynic: Gotta agree with you. Going to ONE other system or planet and not finding other life, while not looking for it, certainly doesn't tend to indicate that we're all alone in this 'verse. And looking for it in one other place and FINDING it wouldn't necessarily mean that it's everywhere, either. Those are both possibilities, but only checking one or two places (Earth and "somewhere not Earth") just gives us far too small a sample group to start trying to do statistical analysis on.
Now, if we start looking around and finding evidence of life in MOST of the places we look, then that might be saying something about life and how it tends to adapt, spread, and flourish anywhere it can lay down roots (pardon the pun). And if we start looking all over the universe and keep finding absolutely nothing... well, it tends to indicate that we are indeed alone, at least in this little backwater arm of a smallish spiral galaxy.
Mike
"Kaylee, find that kid that's taking a dirt nap with baby Jesus; we need a hood ornament."
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One of the first things I loved about the program was no aliens. I think there's life in space, but I don't think there's other intelligent life in our solar system. And I don't think there's any within reaching distance of earth. If we're still around in 500 years, I think the Firefly solar system pretty much hits it on the head.
Does that seem right to you?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
well, it tends to indicate that we are indeed alone, at least in this little backwater arm of a smallish spiral galaxy.
Unfashionable backwater you mean, on our utterly insignificant blue green planet.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Just want to point out, for no reason at all, that some of those races were damn good. I think the line, "Darmok and Jalad at Tenagra," will be with me forever though I don't actually know how to spell it.
Can't spell it?
Shaka... when the walls fell...
Gilad, alone on the ocean.
So, Darmok and "Gilad" at Tenagra.
Soca, his eyes open?
Damn, typing that makes me realize how much of a nerd I am. Even though Firefly is my favorite series precisely because it doesn't follow any of the conventions of typical Star Trek-like sci-fi. KF
~KF
Lord, I'm walking your way. Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes, Lord, and my sins will play out on them as on a screen. Read them all.
Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
~Haven Prayer
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Shaka... when the walls fell...
Just made my eyes water there.
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