Bush Admistration hurts students with cuts to financial aid and other programs

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PIRATEJENNY

Friday, February 3, 2006 11:03 PM

70 billion in cuts are going to happen this year with 12.7 billion being taken from finacial aid, mostly the student loan program, as if things aren't hard enough for most of college students already. along with the cuts to financial aid, medicare is also being slashed along with other social programs like fostercare.

As a student who depends on both fiancial aid and student loans, I'm beyond piss, The Bush admistration while cutting programs that affect and have great impact on the lives and furtures of Americans, is asking congress for 70 billion more dollars for their war on Iraq and Afganstan.

slashed social programs for the poor by $40 billion to help pay for $90 billion in new tax cuts -- almost half of which will go to wealthy Americans with incomes in

Yet largely because of Bush's plans for a defense buildup, this year's Iraq and Afghanistan war costs, and a handful of new tax cuts, the budget shows that deficits over the five years ending in 2010 would total nearly $1.4 trillion."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-01-house-budget-cuts_x
.htm?POE=NEWISVA

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9138154/the_deficit_lie/

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/politicalcommentary/a/05_bush_budget.ht
m

http://www.dailytrojan.com/media/paper679/news/2006/01/25/Opinions/San
dwich.Economics.Tax.Cuts.Hurt.Student.Aid-1503530.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailytrojan.com

http://insidehighered.com/news/2005/12/02/loans

http://nextstudent.com/student-loan-blog/blogs/sample_weblog/archive/2
005/12/16/18.aspx

FIVVER

Saturday, February 4, 2006 2:46 AM

As an actual adult taxpayer all I can say is good. Get a job and pay your way through college the way millions of other kids (including myself) had to do. We have no moral, financial or constitutional obligation to pay for your education. Besides, from the tone of your posts you are waaaaay overdue for a dose of reality.

Fivver

KHYRON

Saturday, February 4, 2006 3:34 AM

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Originally posted by fivver:
As an actual adult taxpayer all I can say is good ... We have no moral, financial or constitutional obligation to pay for your education.

Right, and apparently you DO have a moral, financial or constitutional obligation to pay for an unnecessary and unpopular war. I gather from your statement that the Bush administration hiding its inability to produce a balanced budget by taking money away from social programs (education, welfare, medicare, etc), and then using some of that money to add to an already bloated military budget, is what you, as an actual adult taxpayer, consider the right thing to do with your taxes.

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Get a job and pay your way through college the way millions of other kids (including myself) had to do.

Do you realise how much tertiary education costs these days? Most people struggle to make ends meet WITHOUT having to spend a fortune on their education, let alone have the time to get through 40 hours worth of study material a week. Maybe you were a genius at college, but most students who take their studies seriously struggle to cope with the workload they already have.

SIGMANUNKI

Saturday, February 4, 2006 3:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fivver:

As an actual adult taxpayer all I can say is good. Get a job and pay your way through college the way millions of other kids (including myself) had to do. We have no moral, financial or constitutional obligation to pay for your education. Besides, from the tone of your posts you are waaaaay overdue for a dose of reality.

Fivver

Yah, screw the students that have the talent and skill to succeed at higher education but no the bank accounts. If they don't have the money to afford the $5-30k per year for tuition, how smart can they really be, right?

And all those people that get hurt in life and need medical care beyond what they could afford should just die. Because you and people like you have "no moral, financial or constitutional obligation to pay" for there medical bills, right?

So much for help thy neighbour.

Then again, the US could offer more money to student loan programs, scholarships, etc to be better prepared in the future. After all, we (the world this time) are headed into an era in which we are completely dependant on tech. but no-one has much of a clue of how it really works. Yah, this will go well.

Then again, the US could offer a medicare system in an effort to have there general population... gasp... healthy.

There is something about the future. You know, costs money now, but sees benefits later. But, if you don't spend the money now, you tank later.

So, how about it. Gonna give Johny (or Sally) down the street a little hand? Perhaps they're a genius and you just don't know it. A little access to education would find out you know.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

DC4BS

Saturday, February 4, 2006 4:26 AM

Um.. So the interest on student loans went up 2 percent. Don't take one in the first place and you don't have to worry about repaying it...

I busted my ass to get through college by taking a few years after highschool to work and save money for it.

I worked at Cablevision installing cable, did construction, worked as a chair lift guy at a ski resort in the winter when I couldn't get construction work. Whatever it took to put money in the bank.

I also worked 4 to 5 nights a week at burger king during college making burgers for minimum wage (was less then) and getting numerous burns on my hands and arms from scrubbing the conveyor belt grill each and every damn one of those nights. I was the lucky one too. A friend of mine had an accident and ended up putting his arm into a fry cooker to the elbow. He lost a semester from that. Has not got one hair on that arm below the elbow to this day. Other than some odd looking skin, he eventualy recoverd completely. Also worked some weekends selling marrionetes at craft shows (parents retirement buisness).

Worked summers back at construction and also worked over christmas breaks and easter, etc... doing whatever I could to earn money. I would have LOVED to go to spring break at least once, but I never quite was able to find a way to do it.

I had an unexpected shortfall one semester and a very good friends parents who I had known since grade school, shocked the hell out of me and gave me $1,000 to cover it. I paid em back the year after I graduated.

When I left school I had a B.S. and no debts at all (except that 1K). And I was 25 instead of 22 or so.

So any time I hear college kids whine about lack of funding for school, FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER, it tends to get me really annoyed.

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dc4bs

SIGMANUNKI

Saturday, February 4, 2006 4:39 AM

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Originally posted by dc4bs:

Um.. So the interest on student loans went up 2 percent. Don't take one in the first place and you don't have to worry about repaying it...

I busted my ass
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You survived a terrible situation having to go through that and I commend you for it.

But, let me clue you in on something. This is not about what you had to do to get your education.

This is about what people should not have to go through to get an education.

Please note: Paying for education should not be a hazing ritual to get an education. Higher education is hard enough without that.

It absolutely frighens me that people like you, people that had a hard time getting a higher education, would wish that hardship on others when it can be made easier allowing more time for study. Study is after all, what we are talking about. A better education, yes? Tell me, how can someone truly understand something if they are always worrying about finances?

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, February 4, 2006 4:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fivver:
As an actual adult taxpayer all I can say is good. Get a job and pay your way through college the way millions of other kids (including myself) had to do. We have no moral, financial or constitutional obligation to pay for your education. Besides, from the tone of your posts you are waaaaay overdue for a dose of reality.

Fivver

actually I already have a job a full time job, and I still cannot aford to go to college without the help of student loans that have to be paid back its not like the money is free.and just like me millions of hard working people who are just trying to better their lives through one of the only ways avaiable education, are going to be affected by this, nor did anyone ever say it was the governments sole obligation to pay for education. but as a tax payer I would much rather see my dollars go with services that actually help the country, by investing in citizens you invest in the future of your country, I'm not rich nor am I part of the elite so I don't feel intitled to anything but from the tone of your post someone might think you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth and are intitled. if you weren't born as part of the elite and your just a regular working class Joe then you sound ignorant to say the leaste, that type of thinking is ignorant (IMO)

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, February 4, 2006 5:04 AM

Fivver,

I don't know which side you're on, but that was a dumb comment. Obviously the price of education has become absurd, and no part time job will cover it. For my part, I worked two jobs while attending college and still had to take out some loans. And I had grants, scholarships, and tuition was lower. Now it's 15-25K a year, possibly plus r+b. That's absurd. This whole situation is absurd. On an indivudal level, if you really can do it, I say, f^&k it, skip college, there's little there that can't be learned from books. I also say F&*k Bush and Bliar. Investing in the education of the populous produces skilled labor which advances in earning power, which increase taxes, which increases revenue a great deal more than the cost of pell grants. These men are short sighted and fiscally irresponsible.

Plus, in today's news I see they plotted to create an incident to start the Iraq war. If I'm not mistaken, that's treason. It's not a partisan issue, since one's left and the other right, it's a moron issue.

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, February 4, 2006 5:14 AM

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It absolutely frighens me that people like you, people that had a hard time getting a higher education, would wish that hardship on others when it can be made easier allowing more time for study. Study is after all, what we are talking about. A better education, yes? Tell me, how can someone truly understand something if they are always worrying about finances?

I think your on to something, its called bitterness, because he/she had it hard everyone else should too even if its already hard.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, February 4, 2006 5:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fivver:
As an actual adult taxpayer all I can say is good. Get a job and pay your way through college the way millions of other kids (including myself) had to do. We have no moral, financial or constitutional obligation to pay for your education. Besides, from the tone of your posts you are waaaaay overdue for a dose of reality.

Fivver

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I'm sorry to anyone who read what I posted, while there was nothing that I consider profane it was in poor taste. I was simply pissed off.

Fivver I have a request for you, if you mean, "I don't want to pay a cent to those bastards," say it.

There are not many things that piss me off, but the use of ethos and faulty logic in order to put people down in any way is one of them.

No one who could come here, read this stuff, understand it, and compose a reply could actually believe the bullshit you spewed. You did all of those things so the only logical conclusion is that you don't believe it yourself. The fact that you graduated from college means you must be smart enough to know that that argument is logically invalid, and the fact that you used ethos in an economic debate is an insult to everyone who reads your post.

Saying that you don't want to pay to help others is fine. But don't lie to us, not even by implication (nice move by the way, saying something untrue without ever explicitly saying it), and don't treat us like idiots.

The first version of this post went a little too far, but this one goes just about the right amount.

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