Guns in the 'Verse
POSTED BY: outlawtexan
UPDATED: Thursday, August 28, 2003 16:59
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Not my thread, I've just noticed that this is the second time recently that a Civil War discussion has preempted another topic... I'd love to see a whole thread dedicated to it... and leave this one for it's intended purpose... in short I'm just an anal-retentive a**.
P.S. Pro M-16 with proper background checks and restrictions with stiffer punishments for violaters of said restrictions...
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Sorry, wasn't thinking about getting off topic. I love history and was just commenting on something that came up.
Back to guns, how do we know automatics aren't as reliable as revolvers, anyone have combat statistics, what's Guns and Ammo got on this, anyone got a subscription? I thought the 1911 Colt was one of the best handguns evermade, the only revolvers that match it for stopping power are the magnums and those are a more recent development. The 1911 still has one more round in the clip after either a .357 or .44 has fired its last shot.
The 9 mms can carry more ammo especially if you get a preban clip (some hold upto 18 rounds), good for suppressive fire, might not stop a guy immediately but will certainly make him keep his head down.
What about really poor transport captains, would they stoop to crossbows? That would have a very Mad Max look don't you think.
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Although I don't have combat stats (likely very hard to come by.. "excuse me, sir. Could you fill out this survey during your next firefight?" - sorry, couldn't resist) nor do I have a subscription to a fiearms magazine, I can say from experiance that there are certainly automatics that can match most revolvers for reliability and more than a few revolvers that can't fire right even when they've been kept in prestine condition.
As for stopping power, a lot of that has to do with caliber and type of round. Different types of bullets (lead ball, jacketed ball, hollowpoint, silverpoint, etc) can have drastically different effects on their targets. Also, different types of powder loads are available for most if not all commercially available cartrige ammunition. This will effect velocity of the round, thus the effectiveness of the round under certain conditions. From Jaynes discussion with Mal in Objects in Space, I would guess that most of the ammo used by the crew is ball of some type (bare lead, jacketed). Another point in favor of this theory is the fact that it's much cheaper -> easier to throw/cast lead ball than to manufacture the more complex rounds.
As for crossbows... I doubt it. Ammo (and guns for that matter) are likely much cheaper than fuel. A captian who can afford to fuel his/her ship, will probably be able to afford firearms. As a matter of personal choice, it might happen, and the captian who would choose a crossbow over a gun in this 'verse would be an interesting character indeed.
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A few points to make here, haven't been able to get on for a few days.
Firstly, apologies for causing the start of a War Between the States debate, although, considering the similarities of that real war and the fictional Firefly war, it isn't completely out of the question.
As far as the gun Mal uses while wearing his... costume (and delivers one of my very favorite lines of all time, "I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you..."), I believe it is a cartridge conversion of a Le Mats revolver: a nine-shot cylinder with a small-guage shotgun barrel where the cylinder pin normally is, a favorite of Civil War cavalry due to the extra pistol rounds and the extra little oomph of the shotgun barrel. I'd have to review the ep again to be sure, and my tapes are rapidly deteriorating. I may have to wait for the DVDs to do that.
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Originally posted by outlawtexan:
Firstly, apologies for causing the start of a War Between the States debate, although, considering the similarities of that real war and the fictional Firefly war, it isn't completely out of the question.
No apologies necessary. I doesn't take much to get us going.
Viva Firefly!
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Re: LeMatt
I've heard that Jayne's revolver is the modified LeMatt. Not having ever seen one, I can't tell for certain.
--Anthony
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It's a little hard for me to tell, as none of the shots are particularly intent on the guns, dang it. For a picture and description of the Le Mats, go to:
http://civilwarhandguns.com/lemats.htm
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