Jayne not being a bad guy

POSTED BY: Kaele
UPDATED: Saturday, February 4, 2006 17:12
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KAELE

Friday, February 3, 2006 3:42 AM

Just watched the movie again today.

How about quoting times when Jayne's SUPPOSED to be a bad guy, but actually isn't.

Where: Serenity (BDM)
What: Making sure to check that everyone was buckled in as the ship went into the tailspin, while he gets tossed around the ship.

Kaele
(pronounced 'kale', not like kaylee)
AIM - Dewlanna
YID - jedi_kaele

IMALEAF

Friday, February 3, 2006 4:26 AM

Who knows what seeing 30 million people murder would do to a body? And it was an order from Mal.

~~River: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logics. Doesn't make sense.~~

CHRISMOORHEAD

Friday, February 3, 2006 4:44 AM

I never considered Jayne a bad guy, just a hardass. He's probably by second favorite character next to Mal, and if I didn't feel such a personal connection with Mal, Jayne would deffinately be first just out of coolness.

But like all assholes, Jayne just seems to take a while to adapt to new things, especially those that require caring for. I think that's why he comes off as a prick in relation to Simon and River so much, but I think his show of concern not just for himself, but for the crew when he gave Capt. Reynolds a scolding (the one where he brings up the battle of Serenity valley) shows another side of him. Also, later, where he quotes Shepherd. "You can't do something smart and do something right.", if he wanted off the ship he woulda gotten off, but there's more depth to the character than grenades and an attitude.

"Deep in the battlefield covered in blood
Lies an Airborne Ranger dying in the mud
He fought for his country and he died like a man
Though some people back home just wouldn't understand"

THEMANTHEYCALLEDJAMES

Friday, February 3, 2006 5:10 AM

Dude did you see Arieal. Jayne= bad
He should have been kicked off the crew right then

CHRISMOORHEAD

Friday, February 3, 2006 6:02 AM

Unfortunately, no, I didn't. I've seen maybe 3 episodes of Firefly, but I'll be getting the DVD set as soon as I get my next check in the bank. I guess I don't know as much about the character as other people, so maybe I'm wrong. I was just speaking on what I've seen so far, and under the general topic of "When Jayne wasn't a bad guy".

"Deep in the battlefield covered in blood
Lies an Airborne Ranger dying in the mud
He fought for his country and he died like a man
Though some people back home just wouldn't understand"

LUTHIEN1121

Friday, February 3, 2006 6:06 AM

]Dude did you see Arieal. Jayne= bad
]He should have been kicked off the crew right ]then

...And he almost died for it.

I have mixed feelings about Jayne--sometimes I can't help but love the big goof, and then sometimes I hate him. He's rarely the pure bad guy, though.

One more thing to love about Firefly--real-life complexity in the characters!

edit *sigh* third times the charm I hope..
We're gonna explode? I don't wanna explode!

TEALCANDTRIP

Friday, February 3, 2006 6:19 AM

jayne was originally the untrustworthy (though I hesitate to go as far as completely bad) guy, and he never really fully escapes that role.

But even at Ariel, you can tell that he is greatly disturbed when he learns just what the Alliance did to River. Unfortunately, by that time, he had already called the Alliance so it was too late to back out. Still, he feels ashamed enough of himself to request that Mal not tell the others what he did. That regret is why Mal doesn't kill him.

Then in War Stories, the next episode, he feels guilty enough to share his cut of the money with the rest of the crew. Wash even comments on how unexpected this was.

His relationship with the Tams, and especially River, begins to change. In Trash, River states "He's afraid we'll know." Why on earth would the old Jayne be afraid of that?! He practically tells Mal in the pilot that he'd betray him for the right amount of cash. And he's certainly closer to Mal than River or Simon.

Then finally, in the movie, he is VERY concerned about River when she collapses at the bank. Note: this is before he has any idea about the Reavers. Also, when she's kicking butt in the bar, he only tries to restrain her. Even when she hits him in the balls and pauses for a moment, he doesn't retaliate.

Yes, while Jayne is ultimately motivated by money, if it's good enough, he does grow at least some during the series and the movie.

THECOLLECTOR

Friday, February 3, 2006 6:24 AM

Every group of people needs to have someone that they all love to hate... but they will stand up for them when that person's chips are down.

On a sitcom level, that'd be your Steve Urkel, or your Frank/Winchester...

This one is a tad bit different but it's still the same concept... to have a Devil's Advocate... per se'

DONCOAT

Friday, February 3, 2006 12:26 PM

Probably Jayne's most un-bad moment comes in Serenity (pilot) after Kaylee's run-in with the Fed. The shot of him hunkered down outside the infirmary is heart wrenching.

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KAELE

Friday, February 3, 2006 12:54 PM

There are more than a few times that Jayne hunkers in and tosses the bad-boy image aside.

--Working out with Shepherd Book. What bad guy would be comfortable pumping iron with a man of god?
--The previously mentioned Kaylee surgery, even though beforehand he had just been absolutely rude and crude to her.
--The whole, "Does it mean betraying the Captain?" in Serenity (BDEp) Makes you think he woulda been up for it if it hadn't meant screwing Mal over.
--In Ariel, I get the feeling the only reason he went for the plan in the first place is because Mal wouldn't be nearby and hence wouldn't be 'betrayed'. Once Mal made his opinions on that clear, Jayne backs down to only a few well chosen comments about that throughout the series/movie.
--Getting torn up about the mudder who threw himself in front of the shot meant for him in Jaynestown.

I think he's just a big ole softie, but doesn't always make the right decisions. I'd just love to see someone actually call him on it once... Ah, well. Maybe when the novels come out.

Kaele
(pronounced 'kale', not like Kaylee)
AIM - Dewlanna
YID - jedi_kaele

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