Hero, my apologies
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Saturday, February 4, 2006 07:12
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Khyron,
Write ins never win becuase the majority of the people are illiterate. Oh what an interesting world it would be if there were no ballots. Everything could be write in. If you actually had to write the name G.W.Bush of J.F.Kerry, things would be different.
Think you've got me confused with somebody else there. I just joined the kronos joking thing, wasn't in the mood to get all serious by joining the actual debate (seems like the same stuff that's been discussed plenty of times before anyway).
Plus I wouldn't have suggested write-ins, not just because of the reason you've mentioned (my main objection would be the ease of fraud).
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I know I'm probably the guy in the middle who gets beat on by both sides,
Yeah, I've noticed that. Sometimes I wonder how you cope, because no matter what you say you usually end up having people from both sides disagree with you. Good to see somebody have the stamina, I couldn't do it (but when it comes to American politics I tend to be on the liberal side most of the time anyway, so I wouldn't have to).
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Quote:See how I'm not going into a childish tantrum followed by a Bush rant?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
you Liberals types are always shooting yourself in foot.
I think I've grown. It's the mark of a great man.
(Bush still stinks from ANY reasonable POV!!)
Well, I'm a good man.
(And if I'm truly a Liberal, then you're a fascist, Finn.)
I'm okay.
ChrisisMal
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Chrisisall: HAHAHAHAHA!
DT: Well, wherever you are on the political spectrum you certainly have affected my thinking.
Finn, Hero, Auraptor: I take it you're not Libertarians?
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Khyron,
Um, about the write-in Kronos, I wasn't being serious. Hmm. I've got to work on that sarcasm thing. Maybe some smileys.
Anyway, yeah, it's hard to be on a side in American politics without a little BAA-AA. The main political perspective of Clinton and of Bush is pretty much, well, chrisisall but it best: Give us your money.
But there are good people, on both sides. I think if you followed it, by necesssity you'd end up agreeing with some folk, and disagreeing with others, on each side. Sometimes it's democrats standing up for the rights of the people not to be lied to and spied on, sometimes it's republicans standing up for rights not to be tortured and robbed. But what I've noticed is it's always the same group of people. Moderate conservatives like Larry Craig, Chuck Hagel, and conservatives like John McCain and Lindsay Graham on the GOP side, and Moderate dems like Russ Feingold and Barbara Boxer, and traditional democrats like Chris Dodd and Dick Durbin. But all tolled there are probably 25 of them, both sides, but they are the folks who never end up on a presidential ticket, or in any way in the power circle.
What makes me republican is I pretty much wholeheartedly agree with the traditional republican platform. Bush is nowhere near that platform. But powersickness has been a problem for a while. Bush Sr. and Reagan were decently on track, Bush Sr. probably a little more so, but no admin has been really in line with the GOP of the Senate for a while. They vote for the policies because they have to, or the party supports someone else against them in their own primaries, as Bush is right now doing to Lincoln Chafee, who is one of the good guys.
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I want to take a moment to say what a stupid idea this is, opposing Chafee in his own primary. In Rhode Island, democrats outnumber republicans 2:1. Chafee won re-election in 2000 because democrats turned out in droves to vote for him. Without their support, he couldn't win. So, Mr. Chafee votes the way his constituents want him to. I think people fail to recognize that many of the senators on the floor stood up and said "my constituents want me to vote for alito", as did dem. robert byrd, or "against alito" as did rep. lincoln chafee.
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Anyway, at some point it became okay for the executive to come in and say 'we have an agenda.' No one in the executive branch gives a dman what the people want anymore. I think this disease has spread to the UK.
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ChrisIsMal,
Bush is irrelevant. Focus your anger elsewhere. He's a puppet on a string. I think everyone knows this, and of course it's how I ended up with my Team Evil idea. If you shift your anger just a little bit, realizing that Bush is personally incapable of forming a rational thought, much less a sentence (though I heard him compete a fair few last night, either he's improving, or he's started lip synching)
Anyway, to Cheney. Just a slight shift. Then you see who Cheney is, who he deals with and that's where the problem really lies. The president has no power. He's Theoden. Cheney is Grima Wormtongue. I don't think that if the cocaine was removed from I don't know that he would go fight for Rohan, Gondor and the world of men. He might just flop in front of the TV and watch reruns of Springer.
I liked the platform, part of it. It was of course, the classic end of a career speech:
He's what we're going to do:
Rape, Kill, Pillage then Help, Give, Heal.
So that two years later when they intentionally lose to Hillary, they can say "Well, we got some of what we set out to do, we got Rape, Kill, Pillage, but we didn't get to do Help, Heal and Give, because of the democrats.
Then Hillary starts the whole thing over again, but the lack of good deeds is again blamed on republicans, as it was with Bill.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
See how I'm not going into a childish tantrum followed by a Bush rant?
I think I've grown. It's the mark of a great man.
(Bush still stinks from ANY reasonable POV!!)
Well, I'm a good man.
(And if I'm truly a Liberal, then you're a fascist, Finn.)
I'm okay.
ChrisisMal
clever. A fascist Finn. It has a certain ring to it. I’ve always felt that the world would be a much better place crushed under the unrelenting Iron fist of Finnism.
I don’t know if you’re a Liberal or not. I’ve always thought of you as someone who genuinely saw both sides, which I’ve always respected about you, but I’ve never been able to determine exactly where your own personally political feelings fall.
Quote:Is Libertarian the new code word for Bushhater? Well, I hate to upset the new world order, but I’m pretty sure being liberatarian doesn’t imply hating Bush, and although I’m not really one for labels (unless I’m using them to describe other people) I think Libertarian probably fits me better then anything else.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Finn, Hero, Auraptor: I take it you're not Libertarians?
Quote:Crazy people always think the rest of the world agrees with them.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I know I'm probably the guy in the middle who gets beat on by both sides, and deals a fair amount of punishment back, but I'm not fringe looney here, I'm the anchor. My views are pretty solidly in tune with a very long line of GOP presidents. Just about all of them. Bush is the one outside the party line, and I think the majority of the GOP senators think so too.
I actually do agree with many of your ideals, but your methods of arriving at those conclusions leave something to be desire. Such as claiming that anyone who doesn’t agree with you doesn’t know anything about any political philosophy, which is probably not true. It’s probably also not true that Bushs’ Supreme Court nominations have any affect on whether hurricanes strike the southern coast. Accusing anything that moves of being socialist or redefining Latin etymology to suit your political motives. Your arguments are full of all kinds of nonsense, which I usually just skip over. But despite all that I think we tend to agree on many issues.
Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby
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Quote:Having grown up with a very conservative father, it was only natural to develope a rebellious Liberal smart mouth, however I enjoyed Dirty Harry movies growing up, and always believed rapists and murderers deserved to be escorted off this mortal coil.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I don’t know if you’re a Liberal or not. I’ve always thought of you as someone who genuinely saw both sides, which I’ve always respected about you, but I’ve never been able to determine exactly where your own personally political feelings fall.
Nobody should be above the law, however, obviously, many with $'s are, so law = $, and then again, some laws are good for keeping relative peace and quiet. All systems, governments, and public agencies should aim at getting folk more independent and self-reliant; wellfare needs some work
. Marry who you want, but save the parades for those with big giant Garfield baloons and interesting floats and such. And militarily do whatever gets the least number of innocents involved or hurt.Bruce Lee is my hero; use what works and waste no time with what doesn't. Which can throw me in the Liberal camp one minute, and the Conservative camp the next.
Anyway. I try to see both sides, and as with anyone else, it's a work in progress. This site has been of enormous help to me in staying off the edge...
Thanks to all.
From Anti-Christ to sock-puppet. Bush ain't so bad, after all.
If ya like sock-puppets.
Childhood fan of the Puppet Theatre Chrisisall
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Finn- I have to go on what the Libertarian party says about itself, since I don't know a lot about the various "isms" that poulate the political world. According to their website
Libertarians believe the answer to America's political problems is the same commitment to freedom that earned America its greatness: a free-market economy and the abundance and prosperity it brings; a dedication to civil liberties and personal freedom that marks this country above all others; and a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade as prescribed by America's founders.
Is one out of four good enough to describe Finn? However, I did find THIS description in the American Heritage Dictionary, which seems a better fit:
"A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.". And unwavering support of a single leader (in this case Bush).
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Libertarians believe the answer to America's political problems is the same commitment to freedom that earned America its greatness: a free-market economy and the abundance and prosperity it brings; a dedication to civil liberties and personal freedom that marks this country above all others; and a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade as prescribed by America's founders.
A) We have a controlled market economy.
B) Civil liberties are in place, but subject to change without notice.
C) Our foreign policy shows that we intervene, and intervene a lot (I feel Antarctica is next).
Well, this country doesn't seem very Libertarian...?
No s**t Chrisisall
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And speaking of dicatorship....
Peace activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested Tuesday in the House gallery after refusing to cover up a T-shirt bearing an anti-war slogan before President Bush's State of the Union address.
WTF??? Arrested for wearing a T-SHIRT? On what grounds was she arrested? Bad taste in clothes? But I'm sure FINN approves, since he's such a "Libertarian".
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