Oscar Spurns Serenity

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EST120

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:11 PM

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Originally posted by SameErtia:
It's my understanding that voting Oscar members- those who make the nominations, take into account the entirety of a film; not just each seperate category.
When the ENTIRETY of a film has been found Oscar-worthy, THEN they look at the specific work of each film and determine what categories it excels in.

Please correct me if I am wrong. So if I am understanding you correctly, a movie that has vastly superior art direction to anything else that came out that year (I am randomly picking something) but the story is awful, the actors are awful but the sets look fantastic, it would not even get nominated?

RKLENSETH

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:29 PM

Episode III only got nominated for one award and that was Best Makeup. So if Star Wars couldn't even get a visual effects nominated then Serenity will not.

Anyways, you're putting Serenity up against the top movies of the year. Serenity was reviewed by the critics as a good movie or average movie but no where close to being a great movie or perfect movie. Plus Serenity doesn't fit Hollywood's political agenda like Brokeback Mountain does. Or the year before with Million Dollar Baby (which I love by the way even if I don't agree with it's political tone).

Face it, Hollywood doesn't give awards to movies like Serenity. That's the nature of that world.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

CARTOON

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:34 PM

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Originally posted by diska:
to me our BDM is brilliantly written and directed, it contains excellent and innovative special effects, the score is beautful, the performances are astounding (especially summer's feet). there are so many things within the film that i believe deserve some kind of credible recognition that validate why this movie matters to me so much.

I agree. Artistic appreciation of anything is subjective at best. But, there should be a category for "most enjoyable" film -- for which this film certainly qualifies.

I also believe Summer Glau's performance stands up to any performance by any actress -- not just this year, but for the past several years. As diska wrote above, I also agree that the score and special effects were worthy of notice. I even thought the story was good.

Of the nominees, I've only seen "Munich" (I have no interest in the others, and won't even watch them on TV). While I appreciate other Speilberg films (several of his films are on my top 100, and my #2 film is "Schindler's List"), I don't think "Munich" was a great film. I found it incredibly disturbing and wouldn't watch it again. Contrast that with "Serenity" which I've already seen 7 times, and plan to watch repeatedly as the need arises.

That should count for something.

And don't get me started again on how Summer was overlooked. I've posted about that in several other threads, and I can't add anything to what I've already said elsewhere.

Perhaps if River was a transgendered lesbian who wanted to have physician-assisted suicide after aborting her child, then lobbied against wearing fur and the evils of big business, "Serenity" might've been hailed as "the greatest film made by mortal man". As such, I guess we'll just have to settle with the most enjoyable (and probably most addictive) film many of us have seen in a long, long, long time.

"This must be what going mad feels like."

STORYMARK

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:09 PM

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Originally posted by asarian:
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But the plain truth is that when you hold our darling up against the top nominees, she is NOT flawless. She is not perfect. She may qualify in a variety of categories, but overall, she is not of the same caliber of film as the Oscar Nominees.
Sad. Heartbreaking. But True.

Sad. Heartbreaking... and untrue! Or, if it's true, then why am I watching it over and over? And over.

"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam.

Uh, 'cuase like the rest of us, you're an obsessed fan.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:13 PM

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Originally posted by est120:
Quote:
Originally posted by SameErtia:
It's my understanding that voting Oscar members- those who make the nominations, take into account the entirety of a film; not just each seperate category.
When the ENTIRETY of a film has been found Oscar-worthy, THEN they look at the specific work of each film and determine what categories it excels in.

Please correct me if I am wrong. So if I am understanding you correctly, a movie that has vastly superior art direction to anything else that came out that year (I am randomly picking something) but the story is awful, the actors are awful but the sets look fantastic, it would not even get nominated?

I don't think that's always the case, no. As an example from this year, Memoirs of a Geisha has gotten horrible reviews from most critic's groups in the key areas of acting, script, and direction, though even then they said it'd be up for the technical Oscars (costumes, art direction, ect.). And that's pretty much how it played out, 6 noms, none for any of the top 8 categories (acting, directing, script, ect.).

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

GROOSALUGG

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by cartoon:
Perhaps if River was a transgendered lesbian who wanted to have physician-assisted suicide after aborting her child, then lobbied against wearing fur and the evils of big business, "Serenity" might've been hailed as "the greatest film made by mortal man". As such, I guess we'll just have to settle with the most enjoyable (and probably most addictive) film many of us have seen in a long, long, long time.

That's just too funny...

...and also more than a little disturbing, since it's undoubtedly true. These awards have became mainly about the political issues espoused by each particular film...

ANIMALM0THER

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:58 PM

Well, at least others thought of our BDM and BDH's in a Oscar-worthy way.
http://www.imdb.com/features/rto/2006/poll/bestresults

Why the hell isnt Jewel on this thing? I'm positive she would have secured "Best Supporting Mechanic."

I'll be in my bunk.

THEPISTONENGINE

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:14 PM

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
Episode III only got nominated for one award and that was Best Makeup. So if Star Wars couldn't even get a visual effects nominated then Serenity will not.

Are you telling me Star Wars had good special effects? They were very pretty and expensive, but no way I'd put them above Serenity, hell, I wouldn't put them above Aliens. Pretty and expensive don't make special effects good or great, subtlety and immersion do.

JAYRO

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:20 PM

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Originally posted by ThePistonEngine:
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Originally posted by rklenseth:
Episode III only got nominated for one award and that was Best Makeup. So if Star Wars couldn't even get a visual effects nominated then Serenity will not.

Are you telling me Star Wars had good special effects? They were very pretty and expensive, but no way I'd put them above Serenity, hell, I wouldn't put them above Aliens. Pretty and expensive don't make special effects good or great, subtlety and immersion do.

Ep III was one big special effect. Sheer weight of numbers made it a shoe-in for nomination in that category.

Serenity has great effects, but to its credit it concentrates more on the story and acting. Yes, that's ACTING, Lucas, you understand?

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THEPISTONENGINE

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:25 PM

What about War of the Worlds? How the hell did that get a nomination over Serenity? I'll admit, I watched it in Berlin and Ich spreche nur ein bischen Deutsch (I only speak a little german), but besides being clueless towards the plot, I really wasn't stunned by the visuals.

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