River's Rescue

POSTED BY: AimsToMisbehave
UPDATED: Thursday, April 20, 2006 18:21
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KENT

Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:17 PM

Personally I don't think there's much of a contradiction between the way Simon explains it in the pilot episode of Firefly, and the way it goes down in the beginning of Serenity.

No, Simon did not tell the crew that he was actively involved, but he never said he didn't. He got help from a group of people that smuggled her out in cryo stasis. This doesn't necessarily have to mean "out of the facility she was kept" but out from the world she was. Let's try to remember, after such a daring rescue you can hardly just jump into a ship and fly away expecting not to get caught. There'd have to be more to it... a smuggling part even.

Of course it's clear that it was not Joss's intention that Simon was involved in the rescue when he first made the pilot, but I still think it fits well enough that I won't complain.

I've also seen people mention that Simon seems so confident and good at what he does during the rescue, while he does not do as well in Jaynestown... The thing is, I think Simon could do it if he just had the time to prepare, and work on his "character". In Jaynestown he was just thrown into it... that's not the kind of person Simon is... he can't do spontaneous (unless River is in danger, which she actually was when he was breaking her out).

DRAGONFEAR987

Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:15 AM

yea simon does better when hes got everything planned out ahead of time, and he knows all the details. point in case, just look at ariel. he was the mastermind behind that lil operation and it seemed to go over pretty well.

can someone explain how if the alliance screwed with rivers brain, just seeing the message on miranda cured her? i think thats bout the only point im confused bout and didnt like too much with the movie.

DECKROID

Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:14 AM

How about this...

Cuz it was in the gorram script.

Done.

Next.

DRAGONFEAR987

Monday, January 30, 2006 5:21 PM

man....the insight you can gain from reading someone elses opinion..........

PIZMOBEACH

Monday, January 30, 2006 5:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wyobar:

When I first saw the rescue (from the BDM) I thought that Simon was getting her out for a second time & that the ship was Serenity. This would help explain the time lag for the Operative to come on the scene & also Simon's composure during the rescue (he did get more daring as time went by).

You are not alone - I thought the same thing because I was thinking that the "original rescue" was not Simon, and because they looked like time had passed (umm, sorry, their characters looked older). I also thought the ship was Serenity or a shuttle or another ship with Serenity crew, maybe Jane coming full circle from Ariel (pretty cool start imo)... only to have the rescue cut short by the Operative's "freeze it." Sadly, denouement denied...

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FOLLOWMAL

Monday, January 30, 2006 6:12 PM

I've never had any trouble with Simon's being in on River's rescue. You can surmise that when he got on Serenity and was questioned after River came out of cryo that he didn't trust folks on Serenity and he told them a sort of truth, leaving out pertinent details. Also he is much better at planning something and carrying it out, so that would explain his lack of ability in "Jaynestown".

As for River's being cured after the message on Miranda, I don't believe that is the case. I don't think River is "cured". She's still plenty messed up. But I think the message of Miranda was delivered, so that overwhelming need to have that message out is over. It makes her "alright", because she's done with that part.

She's still a weapon that can be triggered, she's still brain damaged because of what they did to her and she's still psychic and brilliant.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

DRAGONFEAR987

Thursday, February 2, 2006 10:31 PM

saw the movie movie again and i think i understand the beginning and miranda parts with river a bit better.

the beginning, simon paid people to help him get her out. unless anyone can point it out, i dont recall him ever saying he paid other people to get her out, he just paid for their help. so him actually doing the rescue operation fits with the story. when river says that the memories she has arnt hers, shes talking about memories shes picked up from people at the academy. the scene where we see her at school in the start, my guess is that she picks up the memory of miranda at this point. shes at the academy, shes dreaming of herself at an old school and then you see all the dead people. my guess is it was at this point that she learned the secret of miranda.

the scene on miranda made alot more sense after seeing the firefly episodes and then watching the movie again, n what you said, followmal, makes sense. she understood that memory and it no longer affected her. but shes still got other problems that shell have to deal with.

ITHAS2BME

Friday, February 3, 2006 3:39 AM

This little “change” has bothered me ever since I saw the movie.

In the dining room Simon stated "If I funded them they could sneak her out in cryo. Get her to Boros and from there, I could take her... wherever."

Really only two explanations Simon lied which is possible, but unlikely of his character IMO (but who would have believed him if he described what we actually saw in Serenity) or one that to those that bleed brown (like myself) have a hard time accepting: "Serenity isn't Firefly", Joss said it himself. Not having Firefly's theme song in Serenity reinforces the later (except for the solo guitar sans lyrics but that was for the truly devoted who didn't want to leave the theater, me again). I'm actually OK with either explanation.

The best part to my little theory is the last part of Joss's quote from above: "...I would love to tell more stories of this universe and to hang out with these people on and off for the rest of my career."

Knowing that is just enough to keep me flying.

Spread the word: Can't stop the signal.

BOWIE

Monday, February 6, 2006 7:35 PM

I don't think its against Simons charecter to lie to protect River, and I think thats exactly what he did.

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YT

Friday, March 24, 2006 12:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by garbagecanmusic:
Joss said at a Q&A session in Australia that he in fact broke canon and had Simon be part of River's escape in order to help tell the story in the movie. He said that he was going to explain it by having Simon not tell the complete story to the crew or something, he hadn't fully thought it out yet.

He said more than that. He originally wrote it (maybe shot it) the way Simon described it in the series pilot but, looking it over, he thought: Wow, how boring is that. Then he wrote the scene we saw.

The movie is not the series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors & characters remain the same

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