Osama sends the president a message

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DREAMTROVE

Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:41 PM

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Neither Bush or Cheney have committed any impeachable crimes so therefore no impeachment will come.

This is just not so. Bush did many, many things. I listed some of them earlier. But in reality, any accusation is worth investigating.

I don't think Bush blew up the WTC to support his war, I'm not sure people under his command intentionally let it happen, but that's more iffy. But if you go to the nutball sites and read what they say, 90% of it is boulderdash, and the other 10% makes you wonder. Bush doesn't *need* to be criminially implicated to be impeached. He just needs to be unfit for command. If he's just incompetent, incapable of keeping commies and terrorists out of his govt., then out he goes.

What I do know for sure, if that he will kill the GOP. He's killing it right now. Hell, he's killing America, and I don't have any trouble with branding him and his traitors. I have no problem charging them for treason, in the WTC case, the WMD case, tha Valerie Plame case, because of the Patriot Act, the NSA wiretaps. I think, by itself, Katrina, is enough to impeach the president. I think any one of countless Abramoffs or DeLays are enough to sink an entire administration. The govt of the most powerful nation on Earth has to be a tight ship. This is anything but. At the moment, here's my feeling on the administration officials. Formers O'Neill, Whitman, Fleishman are blameless. Ashcroft and Powell should be examined for possible wrongdoing and treason. Condi more or less is blameless. Gonzalez, Rummy, McClellan should be investigated. Cheney should be charged, and probably Rove. Bush is monkey in an elephant suit. I'm not sure he's personally criminally guilty of anything, but he sure is unfit for command. Get a new chief in there. Pick anyone, any republican, from the US Senate. Today I don't care. Bill Frist or Jeff Sessions would be an improvement. I'd be kind of happy if it were someone with some real military experience. But anyone would do. Well, okay, preferaly none of the nine who opposed the torture ban. But that's where this president is. He is in with a group of 9% of the US senate who think torture is okay. If you were a political party, that wouldn't even qualify as a voting block. That's the lunatic fringe. Bush is the lunatic fringe.

Maybe I should make him a hat.

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:42 PM

Gin,

I haven't read it closely since they never responded to my letters, say a year or two, they may have stopped. They still seem to have a line of communications with OBL.

GINOBIFFARONI

Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:00 PM

I only started read them about a year ago...

But I would argue by being open to publish OBL's statements unedited, they are doing journalism

more so than the US media who seems to edit or opinionize everything.

With any media it is so hard to say who is telling the truth anymore, it all seems to be a propaganda machine....

Don't think they give a shit

I'm with Signy and Rue

CITIZEN

Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:17 PM

Dreamtrove:
Nothing specific to add about Bush and impeachment, except *if* having extra marital sex is a reason for impeachment but illegal wars, concentration camps, wire taps et al aren't then I suggest moving to a free country and let Auraptor live in his/her perfect world .

I suspect this isn't really the case though.

Although I'm never going to let you forget that someone called you a democrate .

One last thing on Al Jazeera:

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I haven't read it closely since they never responded to my letters, say a year or two, they may have stopped. They still seem to have a line of communications with OBL.

Thing is, isn't this to be expected? I mean OBL needs to get that stuff out some how, so he's got the choice of giving it to a Western news station, or a Muslim one? Whoever gets it is going to make money from it, surely it makes absolute sense that OBL would favour Al Jazeera. Also as far as I can tell the line of communication between them is litterally recieving video tapes in the mail every now and again...

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DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:07 AM

I was just being devil's advocate on Al Jazeera here, so I have no point to make. I think sure, they're muslims, they have contact to OBL, that's money in the bank, go team. Ditto for the anti-semitism. Glad they've curbed that back, that's a fire which doesn't need fueling. Israel is a reality the ME should get used to, in the same way that white supremacists should get used to the fact that some Americans are black. Anyway, more or less conceding the rest.

Someone called me a democrat? Oh, Auraptor said all you democrats or somethign like that. But was there something personal there? I called him one earlier. But I think that was low and I should apologize. Not that democrats are low, just it's the lowest form of debate.

I think Bush is an enemy of the GOP. Actually I think it's Cheney et al, Bush is just a monkey in a stroller. But, his admin is really Cheney's, and Cheney is still working for Clinton, still realling in those paychecks from Clinton's pet Dick program, $15M to date, so you gotta figure. Clinton creates help Dick, that pays Dick's salary, and now see Dick run for VP, see Dick still earning cash from his pal Clinton's policies still in effect, so I guess, still on the payroll of Clinton technically. So, there's today's justification for my absurd position "The Bush Administration never happened."

But it's not really a denial issue. I have to take a moment to that. A lot on the left are saying "Republicans are evil." Not only is this A. Not true, B. absurd, but also, it's dangerously self-deceptive. Clinton was evil, killed a million people, freed dangerous criminals, embezzled fortuned, etc. Ties to the mafia, commies, etc. Bad. Bush is evil, sure, or working for evil. Hillary is evil. If you put all the blame on us, you might think that you're not infected with it, and won't be able to stop it.

But here's the concession. We f^&ked up. Bush and his pals got into office because they had an organization of 14 million voters who thought that he would fulfill and ancient prophecy and if they didn't vote for him they would condemn their immortal souls. Halfwits. Our halfwits. And we didn't stop them. And then we let Bush go on. I think that his people control the party machine now, and there should have been a 1968 democratic primary style recall where Bush was set against his former rivals and forced out of the ticket like Johnson. McCain, Forbes, and co could have struggled for the leadership role.

The historical fact that after that shuffle, Humphrey lost in a landslide taught the parties never to do that again. But that assumption is based on the misconception that Humphrey was in any way a viable candidate. He was like balless Johnson. They needed a fresh new image. Similarly, if Bush had been replaced in '04 by someone weak and tied to Bush, it would have been a disaster. But they coulda definitely stuck McCain in there and won.

CITIZEN

Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:37 AM

The Democrat thing was more or less implied in Auraptor’s post I think. He/she took what you were saying and said it was the normal Democrat fantasy, seemed to be a fairly clear implication to me, and I just thought it was hilarious that someone would say that about you ya know...

If anyone here *isn't* a democrat...

The rest, well from an outside perspective I haven't seen much change between Democrat and Republican to be perfectly honest. Both foreign policies seem pretty draconian, though I make no secret of the fact that I'm not a fan of the American Government, and I haven't been for years.

I don't think that makes me Anti-American, mainly because I don't think any American government has been particularly pro American for sometime, if that makes any sense.

Though I do think the Tory Conservative party over here are evil, but then I haven't got a much better opinion of Labour, mainly because they are the Tory's by any other name (New Labour in fact). I’m not just saying that because I don’t like them though, they’re trying to privatise stuff, they jack up taxes on the lower classes, leave them alone on the upper class, I could go on, all pretty much right-wing conservative stuff.

At the end of the day the both of them are about getting money and any semblance of power over one's own life and putting it in the hands of Rich arseholes that can never have enough. Frankly, and I realise this'll be a sticking point between us, but the conduit for that is capitalism, the free market system. But that's erm, a little off topic.

I generally try to keep the same view of politicians no matter which end of the political spectrum they're from. They're incompetent, thieves or just outright liars. You get the odd good one, but the system and their contemporaries are sure to warp them before they'll do any good. The only way to get any semblance of public service out of them is with the constant threat of losing their cushy well paid job, and that's where democracy comes in.

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DREAMTROVE

Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:19 AM

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The Democrat thing was more or less implied...

Lol.

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If anyone here *isn't* a democrat...

Hey, I resent that. I tend to think the Democrats are just wrong, but I recognize that there are reasons for this barrier. The two schools of thought tend to operate in isolation from one another, and so tend not to communicate that much. Last election cycle I worked for four candidates, each briefly as their candidacies folded in turn, Howard Dean, a traditional democrat, John Buchanan, a traditional republican, Ralph Nader, a left wing independent, and Michael Peroutka, a right wing independent. These guys were all over the map. Nader is dangerously closed to pro-govt, I wouldn't call him socialist, he has no plans to end corporations, just to enforce regulations, but not in my corner, definitely. Peroutka was closer to my corner except for his extreme christian views. Dean I found myself blatantly disagreeing with about 75% of the time. Buchanan I pretty much agreed with on everything. Given my own political slant, this was hardly surprising, but I guess this was my take on the "Anybody but Bush."

I guess the one thing that I gained out of the whole experience was this:

Four different political perspectives, people have different solutions. I think, for me, most, but not all the good solutions came from Buchanan and Peroutka, some came from Nader and Dean. But this is only one debate, the one we have a lot: Which solution is best for America. But there was a more subtle break than this. We cared about different things. People did. All of these candidates shares some things which attracted me to them, like anti war, basic rights. In retrospect I would have skipped Dean, but his people came to my door and made a convincing argument. I'm not in the "I'll never vote for a democrat" camp. I think anyone in that camp has essentially sacraficed their right to vote. I want the GOP to know that it has to win me back every time, and I want the democrats to know that they can get my vote if they really try. But I digress. The point about this, people think differently. They have different interests in mind. People want prosperity, of some sort, but what? Some people are interested in the total dollar amount, the greatest overall boost to the economy, others are interested in the greatest number of jobs created. Some people are interested in the US's ability to compete internationally, others in the US not having homeless and jobless. Some people want to keep the corporate ladder accessible, others want no one falling off the bottom ring. And that's just on the economics issue. There were many different perspectives on each issue, vastly so, and not in direct competition with one another.

Maybe I can make a clearer example of healthcare. The rightwing idea I kept running into was about choice, having the greatest competition, availability of services, different kinds, physicians, herbalists, different companies, different styles, and open choice of insurance, and open choice of care within their insurances, competitive prices for non-insured purchase of services. But it was all about choice. This was what the right cared about. I generally agreed with them, but here's the real kicker, which being a lefty, you probably already got there. The left didn't care about choice. The left cared about availability. Everyone to have access to some form of healthcare, even if it meant less choice, or no choice. The significant thing which struck me was, people are really after different things here, and things which don't *need* to be in direct competition. A system that provides for everyone and also has unlimited choice should be theoretically possible. But no one works that out because they don't talk to one another. It would be very tricky to work out. If you create an expensive public health program, then you are taxing to pay for it, which means you are charging everyone. I'm not rich. If I'm being forced to pay through taxes, I will not be able to buy an additional health service, so I will have in

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, February 2, 2006 4:52 AM

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Now if the people at Fox worked for Al-Jazeera...

Mind you since the USAF levelled the Yugo car works in their Serbian campaign.... does that make GM a target ?

BBC talking head David Frost now works for Al Jazeera.

GM and Ford just fired 1-million US employees. So yes, GM is under attack by the NWO, which has its talking head King George II enthroned in the White House. I just bought a new "Chevy" Cavalier - it's engine is made in Mexico, its tranny in Italy, and the rest made in Canada (Commonwealth of the British Empire under Queen Elizabeth). Canada is officially classified as USA on all manufacturer's origin labels, per WTO and NAFTA. So USA is now merged with UK, with Commie China buying $100-billion/month of USA, as the evil Anglo-Asian Alliance NWO grows stronger and more evil every day.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/70

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"We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction."
-April Glaspie, US Ambassador to Iraq, videotaped meeting with Saddam Hussein on 7/25/90 - Iraq invade Kuwait one week later (New York Times, 9/23/90)

James Baker was secretary of state for Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire (CIA/MI6/Nazi/KGB/Interpol). Baker is currently general counsel for Carlyle Group which owns Universal Studios and Serenity. Baker is currently DEFENDING the Saudis and the Bin Ladens (Wahabi Jewish members of Carlyle Group) who are sued by victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. On 9/11/2001 Bush Sr was in Washington DC dining with Shafig Bin Laden, brother of USAma Bin Goldstein.

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Al Jazeera is blatantly anti-semitic, not just anti-Zionist. They're formerly the BBC, so they're sophisticated about it, but it's still there. You can see them spin any story to the point where the evil jew is at fault, whether it's Wolfowitz or Perle or a western media figure. They seem more likely to do that than to spin anti-christian, which they also do. They've rarely been as hard historically on Cheney and Rummy and the secular aryan evil as they deserve.

Since Frost is there, it's still BBC (MI6).

Aryan is a person from Afghanistan, Iran and India. In other words - DARK skinned. The swastika is an ancient Jewish/Babylonia symbol adorning the walls of Yale's Skull & Bones, 100 years before Jew Adolf Hitler Shicklegruber Rothschild (MI6) was ordered to infiltrate the Jewish National SOCIALIST Workers Party.

It IS the evil "White Jews'" fault for our current mess, no spin required. The whole gang of them need to be arrested ASAP, given a fair trial, found guilty, and sentenced to death, after the obligatory torture at Gitmo. Not just the evil "Jews" in USA, but their "Jewish" masters in UK as well - Lord Rothschild (founders of Israel) and the entire "British" (German) royal family (proud seed of Satanic King Soloman).

It's IMPOSSIBLE for Al Jazeera to be "anti-Semitic", SINCE ALL ARABS ARE SEMITES, according to every dictionary. "White Jews" living in Europe and USA are NOT Semites. Doh! Newspeak has got your tongue.

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Semite.
1 A person regarded as descended from Shem.
2 a member of any of the peoples speaking a Semitic language, including the Hebrews, Arabs, Assyrians, Phoenicians, etc.
-Webster's New World Dictionary

Besides, Cheney and Sir Rummy Knight of the British Empire are both "White European Jews" (oxymorons). Cheney is from Sweden, just like President General Ike, The Butcher of Europe, who traded 50,000 US and Brit POWs to his ally Commie "Jewish" Russia, in exchange for Nazi warcriminals and mad scientists in Project Paperclip, which started OSS/CIA's MKULTRA Project Monarch slave program (Alliance mind kontrol of River Tam). Cheney and Ike enjoyed romping nekked at Jewish Bohemian Grove, to worship the Hebrew child sacrifice god Molech, as worshipped by infantcide in Jerusalem.

VID

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:35 AM

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Aryan is a person from Afghanistan, Iran and India. In other words - DARK skinned.

This is just an incomplete definition. Aryans are the ancient caucasians, and everyone from celts to east indians are aryans, regardless of skin color. The Nazis chose the word Aryan carefully, so it would include all of their allies and exclude their enemies. Even so, it wasn't perfect. They tried to argue that Slavs weren't aryans because of their asian blood, but that's basically a fallacious argument. It really fell apart when they started to argue that Serbs, who are germanic, weren't aryans.

But the Nazis had a weird racial mixture to contend with, and they needed to go back 4500 years to find an ethnic group to unite them. Now the idea is complace in the looney racist fringe, but it didn't used to be. Caucasiab, White, Teuronic, Germanic, and European would have all been more likely terms for a white supremacist to pick if they weren't allied with Iran, Italy and Spain and yet opposing jews.

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Maggie's son Mark Thatcher (MI6) is under arrest for inciting a coup d'etat (evil). John Major owns Carlyle Group, profiteering from wars they start (evil). Tony Blair likes his faggots and spotted dick (evil). Churchill was an evil JEW! Gotcha.

1. Maggie Thatcher is not her son.
2. The Carlyle Group aren't the bad guys.
3. Spotted Dick is a pudding.
4. Tony Blair is not a conservative, he's Labor.
5. Churchill isn't jewish.

You should really drop this jew thing. First off, you have the jewish race as being extinct, and not connected to actual semites, which I think is more or less true. Once you accept this, jewishness becomes a culture, judaism, and not a race. Once you accept the judaisn is a culture and religion, then one is only jewish if one practices it. Judaism has as a cultural/religious value that the faith must be practiced openly, in contrast to say, paganism, which has many forms which are practiced in secret. This fact that got them killed in WWII, then there are no 'secret' jews. Hence, no genetic jewishness, no secret jewishness, therefore the only jews are the ones who can be readily identified, and self identified as jews. Since the world is full of prominant and powerful jews who do not disguise their jewsishness, including a few prominent people in US and world governmance and many influential media figures, there is no reason to assume that there would be any reason that anyone else would hide their jewishness.

Now we enter reality. Some people are evil without being jewish. Shaka Zulu was 100% african, and evil. Many Many people have been compelely white european and evil. Osama bin Laden is arab and evil. Strangely, evil, also, does not seem to be genetic. It's not connected to all other evil in conspiracy, just little islands of evil conspiracy. Don't believe me? The Nazis, after losing a popular election in '32, conspired to take over the government. Osama Bin Laden conspired with Al Qaeda to commit acts of terrorism agains the US, Spain and Russia. Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, jews, conspired with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, not jews, to send G.W. Bush, not a jew, to the whitehouse with the help of Condi Rice, so not a jew, and Alberto Gonzalez, another really not jew.

Judaism, a belief of choice of some people, neither good nor evil, irrelevent to any grand schemes in the world with the possible exception of zionism, which itself plays a minor role in world affairs, including are invasion of Iraq. If Perle was lebanese, we would be launching attacks from lebanon. It's not really important, not a key piece of the puzzle, not more than marginally relevent information.

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