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DREAMTROVE

Friday, January 27, 2006 6:13 AM

I just am not really following this thread and shooting my mouth off anyways. Kerry is intending a fillibuster. Kerry hates fillibusters, and also he's evil. I can only think that Kerry wants to force the nuclear option. If the democrats know what's good for them they won't do it. Alito is probably in like flynn anyway. I disagree with his executive power position, but he's just one vote, it's not like the supreme court will vote for a dictatorship just because it has Alito.

FLETCH2

Friday, January 27, 2006 7:51 AM

Actually you missed the point. The theory of justice is that you would rather let bad boys go free rather than restrict the freedom of the innocent. In general police states have excellent crime detection and resolution figures but the price is lack of freedom by the innocent.

The Law requires that warrants have to be sworn out to allow a search to take place and that that warrant has to be specific as to, where can be searched, who can be searched what can be seized and the charge this relates to. This could mean that police raid Miss X's home expecting to find drugs and instead find a brothel and are unable to then use that information in court. You would probably murmur about smart ass lawyers and lowlifes but the system is SUPPOSED to work that way. The police are supposed to be specific as to what crimes they suspect and what they are looking for because otherwise they would be tempted to serve bum warrants. In general the more invasive the warrant the more proof the police need to produce in order to get it granted. It might be easy to get a judge to sign off on searching little Jimmy's room for stolen street signs, but if the warrant extended to everybody and everyone in Jimmy's house what's to stop the police using the "street sign" warrant to look for evidence against Jimmy's dad that they cant get any other way? It reduces the requirement on the police from proving *a* probable crime to *any* probable crime.

This warrant was wrong, I think if it came to the Supreme court Conservatives like Scalia would have torn it to shreads. Good decision, bad minority opinion.

CITIZEN

Friday, January 27, 2006 8:56 AM

My guess as too Auraptor’s reply:

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Originally posted by me, the oracle extraordinaire:
But what you have to remember is that no one in government or law inforcement would ever think like that.
Remember, they're the good guys...
We shouldn't ever question them, ever.
Remember we have freedom of speech, so we should never ever use it.

And Auraptor’s reply:

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Originally posted by Auraptor:
Guess we'll just have to trust our duely elected officials and let them use the powers granted them by those darn words on paper.

I thank you…

And for my next trick:

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Soon to be posted by Auraptor:
Blah blah blah you’re an Idiot Blah blah blah you’re an Idiot Blah blah blah you’re an Idiot Blah blah blah

As for the concert though, I’d say it’s spot on, the concert is held in one building, sure there’s a lot of people but that’s just scale.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, January 27, 2006 10:00 AM

I probably do miss the point, if that was meant for me. My basic position on Alito is this: It's Bush. I mean, given that, the fact that we got someone like Roberts is a miracle. At least Alito knows the law. I was seriously expecting an Ashcorft/Gonzalez match up. Harriet Myers was the sort of surprise that Bush always springs, the 'nope, I'm worse than you think' surprise. I never did get a bead on her political slant, but her fawning sychophant drooling over Bush and her long list of corrupt money laundering embezzling and bribing, and total lack of an experience as a judge, or even a trial lawyer... So, that's where I am. After Alito, the most qualified people Bush knows are Gonzalez and Ashcroft, both of whom are more serious power freaks than Sam Alito, and if he has to look further, I'll bet he has half a doze Harriet Myers. Well, he does have Priscilla Owen, but I can't say she's better than Alito.

The thing is, if you beat Bush, eventually he gets someone in, if only by recess appointment, and even if this drags out for three years until there's a switch, who knows who Hillary would put up, knowing her own relationship with the law.

In short, we don't have anyone in govt. who's going to nominate Elliot Spitzer, and even if they would nominate Alan Dershowitz, he makes Alito look like the good humor man. 'm just trying to be realistic here. Alito, overall, is not that different from O'Connor, so I don't expect much change.

FLETCH2

Friday, January 27, 2006 10:27 AM

Well then I guess that proves the point that an "activist judge" is just a judge that doent do what the current executive wants. I had thought that part of the complaint of conservatives is that some judges "legislate from the bench" rather than just catching foul balls thrown out by congress and making the politicos fix the mess. I actually have some sympathy with that point of view but in order to take the high ground on this you really have to field someone with impecable constitutional groundings, in effect show the kind of man you think should be in that job. This guy has already shown that he doesn't mind being activist for causes he supports, that makes him as bad a choice as any left leaning "liberal" judge from California.

SIGNYM

Friday, January 27, 2006 2:38 PM

Does Alito know the Constitution? I don't think so. I just read the Fourth Ammendment (Thanks you Rue) and it seems pretty damn clear to me. You'd have to apply some pretty weasly thinking to support the whole ten-year strip-search thing.

And I've repeated this a couple of times already, but that wasn't an abberant ruling by Alito, in fact, it typified about 300 rulings. The guy just LOVES an all-powerful Executive. In speeches b4 the Federalist Society he describes his dream in which the President is all-powerful. Bush apologists should seriusly consider that the next President isn't going to BE Bush, and that puts the next President in the position to undo everything that Bush has done.... and more. But a system like that is unstable and it's NOT what the Founding Fathers had in mind. It shouldn't matter whether you're a so-called Republican, Dem, Independent, or Libertarian... this nominatio should be something that EVERYONE is against.

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AURAPTOR

Friday, January 27, 2006 3:12 PM

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Does Alito know the Constitution? I don't think so. I just read the Fourth Ammendment (Thanks you Rue) and it seems pretty damn clear to me. You'd have to apply some pretty weasly thinking to support the whole ten-year strip-search thing.

It sometimes helps to remember the facts connected w/ an issue.

1. Judge Alito comes in with the most experience of any nominee in over 70 years.

2. The A.B.A., which is by no stretch of anyone's imagination can be confused with a conservative group, thinks very highly of Alito, twice now awarding him with their highest rating. The “well qualified” rating — the highest — is the same one that Alito earned in 1990 when President Bush’s father, George H.W. Bush, nominated him to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Making statements which you doubt Judge Alito knows about the US Constitution only makes you and your position look silly.

This has nothing to do w/ Judge Alito, and I wish everyone could just admit it. It all has to do w/ vilifying and denying President Bush, even when he's made a very legitimate and competent choice in Judge Alito.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Friday, January 27, 2006 4:34 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This has nothing to do w/ Judge Alito, and I wish everyone could just admit it. It all has to do w/ vilifying and denying President Bush, even when he's made a very legitimate and competent choice in Judge Alito.

So, whenever you got a D on a math test, it was because the principle didn't like you? Please, how old are you? I argued better in third grade.
It has EVERYTHING to do with BAD CHOICES.
Bush: BAD CHOICE.
Bush's administration's agenda: BAD CHOICE.
Alito: BAD CHOICE.

Deifying administrations and judges that are, in the best light, somewhat questionable: BAD CHOICE.

I recommend a logic class Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, January 27, 2006 4:35 PM

BTW AU, Hitler was a MAN who lied well.
Einstein was a MAN who conjured well.

Bush and his gang are MEN and WOMEN, not shiny examples of Saint-like humanity to be thrust upon a pedestal and worshipped.
(if you already knew that, sorry, you just make it sound as if you didn't...)

SIGNYM

Friday, January 27, 2006 5:00 PM

And, what that "well qualified" means is....

He hasn't taken any bribes, or been dishonest (except in several cases where he should have recused himeself but didn't).

He is a theorist and an exceptionally clear writer, capable of aurguing his points with mathematical precision and presenting them persuasively. However, in that same explanatory letter, the ABA also noted three areas of concern:

1) "a tendency for stridency to enter into Alito's written decisions, especially dissents"

2)a concern that his "personal beliefs have entered into his judicial decision-making" and...

3) "a concern about whether or not the results of the nominee's judical decision tend to favor identifiable categories of litigants and reflect a bias".

None of these were fully resolved in the ABA's investigation.

Auraptor, you've got to look at the big picture. I've interviewed and ranked probably hundreds of professionals by now. You learn to differentitate between one skill and another. I've alos testified against very smart scientists who twisted data to argue their case. I know lawyers. What I've learned is that it's possible to have someone brilliant, persuasive, knowledgeable, even-tempered, and financially honest who is aiming in the wrong direction.

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