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AURAPTOR

Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:48 PM

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Sorry Auraptor, but that's what the Constitution is for: to protect us against that sort of thing

Yes, unusual search and seizure. Seems Alito agreed w/ the police that searching the little girl didn't raise to the 'unusual' part of that equation. If threre was probable cause, I suppose a bystander could be searched, but it would be far easier to justify in the case of the 10 yr old child.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:53 PM

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And now you want to chase your tail all over again as to what the warrant said, and why Alito allowed for others to be searched, etc, etc, etc.

Now Auraptor, I know you really don't think this way. The warrant is just words on paper... but so is the Constitution.

FLETCH2

Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:04 PM

Basic rule of justice is that you are willing to let some of the guilty walk to protect the innocent.

You know go to any big stadium rock concert and I garentee some ahole will be dealing. Why dont we stripsearch 20,000 innocent citizens to find out which ones they are?

This warrant effectively says that you can be subject to search and seizure in locations you have a legal right to be in without any evidence of a crime having been comitted. What a great tool for breaking up political meetings you don't like, what a great tool to humiliate and alienate folks.

It's un Constitutional.

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:46 PM

Thank you Fletch for getting to the heart of the matter with such clarity.

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Please don't think they give a shit.

CITIZEN

Friday, January 27, 2006 1:28 AM

But what you have to remember is that no one in government or law inforcement would ever think like that.

Remember, they're the good guys...

We shouldn't ever question them, ever.

Remember we have freedom of speech, so we should never ever use it.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

AURAPTOR

Friday, January 27, 2006 3:25 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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And now you want to chase your tail all over again as to what the warrant said, and why Alito allowed for others to be searched, etc, etc, etc.
Now Auraptor, I know you really don't think this way. The warrant is just words on paper... but so is the Constitution.

Yep, just words on paper. And yet scholars from coast to coast can't come to a conclusion as to what exactly those words mean, specifically. And neither can we. Guess we'll just have to trust our duely elected officials and let them use the powers granted them by those darn words on paper.

And per Fletch's attempted analogy, that would only apply if an entire town was searched in like manner, and not just one residence, and those living inside. Sorry, but your 'concert' comparison was way off key.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Friday, January 27, 2006 3:27 AM

BTW, here is the Fourth Amendment in its entirety:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

CHRISISALL

Friday, January 27, 2006 4:02 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
BTW, here is the Fourth Amendment in its entirety:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I'll say it before Hero and AURaptor do;
"It does not specifically state that strip searches pursuant to drug-related investigations require specificity as to age or sex of suspects to be searched. You're reading into that amendment."

Guys, did I get it right?

The Constitution is more of a guideline than actual rules Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Friday, January 27, 2006 4:08 AM

If more people actually behaved like Mal instead of watching the show but behaving like the Alliance, maybe we wouldn't be so screwed?

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Please don't think they give a shit.

CHRISISALL

Friday, January 27, 2006 4:19 AM

I am finding myself a bit on the raggedy edge these days....

Don't kiss enough Alliance butt, it seems Chrisisall

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