Osama sends the president a message
POSTED BY: citizen
UPDATED: Saturday, February 4, 2006 06:35
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Well, never thought a little joke could spark this off.
Auraptor:
Firstly I fail to see how this sets OBL as better than GWB. Really can't see where you're coming from there.
I know you like to think the Sun shines outta Bushy-boys arse an’ all, but seriously he aint the good Christian soldier you like to make out. His orders are responsible for more civilian deaths than Osama's, and no I'm not saying his better than Saint Bush.
Frankly it seems like you wanted to have a reason to go off on a little indignant fit. You wanted to take the high moral ground where we're all evil terrorist supporters beneath your enlightened attempts to educate us. Whether it's subconscious or calculated I don't much care, doesn't make it any less BS.
You're rants, largely against Dreamtrove, are not gaining you the moral high ground, I'm afraid. I've had my disagreements with Dreamtrove myself, and I know how his words can rub you up the wrong way, whether he means that or not. But frankly the person doing the most and worst open insulting here is you.
Seriously chill out, your going to give yourself an ulcer.
Dreamtrove:
I’d say Chris was more of a Shepard Book than a captain Mal. All peaceful and Serene and then you push too far your unconscious and on your arse 
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PirateNews as River, possibly.
You as Jayne Cobb, I’d go with that.
Hmm, couldn’t tell who I am, I’ve got Mal’s miraculous ability to get anyone angry, and I certainly like a friendly tear-up on occasion. I like using humour, but is it enough to make me Wash?
My driving is lousy as well.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.
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Quote:I try to be like Book, but my temper can get me into Mal territory, and I have to look to that.
Originally posted by citizen:
Well, never thought a little joke could spark this off.
Dreamtrove:
I’d say Chris was more of a Shepard Book than a captain Mal.
Citizen, you seem like Simon to me, all rational and with the answers, tending to wounds in common sense, then dishing out some closed fists of your own...which can, on occasion, be hi-larious.
Dreamtrove is Jayne with words.
SignyM is Mal.
Rue is Book.
I'm Wash.*
*Subject to change without notice Chrisisall
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Hmm. Shepherd Book casts moral judgements. Chris seems more mellow, but, yeah I can see that. I agree with Citizen as Simon, not just because of the picture.
I think the girls need to be applied as well. I'm voting limi as kaylee, and rue, (rue is a girl right?,) as zoe? I know pn was a gender bender, but I had to go with the insane/knowledgeable angle.
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Oh sure, there are jabs, and then there are the tastless remarks .... " delete impeached... insert shot " made by GINOBIFFARONI. Ha ha! too funny! "
Am I joking ??
ole Saddam definately should be shot, Pinochet, Suharto, dozens of other thugs as well...
I happen to include every US president since Truman
on that list as well..... and some staffers
Clinton... Bush.... Albright.... Kissinger.....
A hell of a list...
Don't think they give a shit
I'm with Signy and Rue
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What's so special about Truman? This is a man who *intentially* dropped two nuclear bombs on to civilian populations in order to claim what might just be our most pyrrhic victory ever, and then promptly went to war in Korea. Yeah, there's a guy you want around.
Here's my list for those presidents, from best to worst, just a gut response, not sticking by it.
1. Eisenhower
2. Nixon
3. Ford
4. Carter
5. Bush Sr.
6. Reagan
7. Kennedy
8. Clinton
9. Johnson
10. Truman
I haven't decided whever to put G.W. Bush on this list yet. He's made America unpopular, which is unforgiveable, but I'm not sure how low he goes. It depends on what his final death toll is, not the only factor, but an important one. Baby Bush is definitely landing post Kennedy, as in >7 with 10 people oh my god that was an awful president.
But I don't think they should be shot. Clinton, Bush should probably go on trial for possible crimes against the nation, but mostly to get them to reveal names of people they sold secrets to and folks who they let steal from the public till.
On the all time list, I would add Coolidge, Taft, and TR to the 20th C. best list, and JQ adams, adams sr. and jefferson on the ancients best list.
I'd also nominate wilson, hoover for the 20th C worst list. Jackson for the ancients worst. I have problems with washington also, mostly sullivan's raids here in NY and stuff like that. Oh, also Buchanan was awful, just in an extremely negligently lazy way.
I hear a lot of people say "Bush, worst ever." But historically the competition for that title is quite stiff. Andrew Jackson started a campaign of racial genocide against his own people.
Not to say Bush isn't mega richter scale measurable bad. Just, once again, putting things in perspective.
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Quote:Then quite frankly, you're either a liar or an idiot. The joke was clearly meant to belittle not only Bush, but his entire administration. That's why I replied to those who think it's funny that this bastard OBL could gain any support from any human being. How you DON'T see my point of view is a bit perplexing, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Firstly I fail to see how this sets OBL as better than GWB. Really can't see where you're coming from there.
Quote:I don't need to be told what or how I think about Bush, or anyone else for that matter. If I'm asked, I might tell ya. Also, I personally don't care about his religion. He is who he is, and I for one agree with some, not nearly all , of his policies. His orders didn't start this mess, and I for one am proud for the effort which has been undertaken by US and coalition forces to SAVE lives. But that might be too far beyond your mind to grasp, so I'll just move along.
I know you like to think the Sun shines outta Bushy-boys arse an’ all, but seriously he aint the good Christian soldier you like to make out. His orders are responsible for more civilian deaths than Osama's, and no I'm not saying his better than Saint Bush.
I needed no other reason to reply to your thread except in the way I did. I made my comments fairly clear, and if you need any extra incentive added, that's all on you. You assessment of who has the 'high moral ground ' here is irrelevent to me.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Auraptor:
Then quite frankly, you're either a liar or an idiot.
Of course, I don't agree with you, I must be either a liar or an idiot, maybe I'm a terrorist, yeah that's it, drop bombs on me, I disagree with you, oh Bush would be so proud of you.
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The joke was clearly meant to belittle not only Bush, but his entire administration.
No really? You worked that one out all on your very own, oh well done! You get a gold star for effort, your mother must be very proud of your amazing powers of deduction.
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That's why I replied to those who think it's funny that this bastard OBL could gain any support from any human being.
I see, you either support GWB or you support OBL. My, my we like our specious reasoning don't we.
So, you don't like Nazis right, so you obviously LOVE dropping nuclear weapons on civilians, which follows using your *AHEM* logic.
What's wrong with you? What sort of evil twisted individual likes nuking civilians?
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How you DON'T see my point of view is a bit perplexing, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Because I'm not you, and I like to follow a little thing called logic, not knee jerk reactions so I can stamp my feet, bawl my eyes out and tell everyone their stupid.
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I don't need to be told what or how I think about Bush, or anyone else for that matter. If I'm asked, I might tell ya.
I don't need you to; it's fairly obvious you think the guys the second coming or something, since if anyone dares question him in anyway you jump on it with the vehemence of a crusader.
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He is who he is
A jabbering low life corporate whore moron idiot.
Unfortunately we can tell he's not very level headed, if he was he'd dribble out of both sides of his mouth at once.
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His orders didn't start this mess, and I for one am proud for the effort which has been undertaken by US and coalition forces to SAVE lives.
I’m sorry, is this Auraptor's fantasy time? GWB didn't cause this mess, so who did order the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq which has caused both countries to destabilise further, the Middle Eastern region to grow increasingly to all out war, upwards of 100,000 civilians to be killed, and an increase in terrorist activity?
The toothfairy?
The legendary Black Beast of Bodmin Moor?
The British Queen?
Santa Clause perhaps?
Oh I know! Its little orphan Timmy, I’ve always suspected that bastard, acting all helpless and such.
The other major problem is what you think the coalition was sent in to save lives.
I have little doubts that that’s the motivations for the troops, but the people who sent them in saw this:
Oil, the US can use up the rest of the worlds, and then when its run dry the rich oil barons can start selling the stuff the entire USA is floating on at $18,000 a barrel.
Lucrative rebuilding contracts, that DON'T go to the lowest bidder, they go to the American corporation.
Saddam sitting there smiling, still in charge, while Bushy-Boy's dada is out on his ear (not to mention breakfast lunch and tea).
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But that might be too far beyond your mind to grasp, so I'll just move along.
Yes it's everyone else doing all the immature infantile name calling, not you at all
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I needed no other reason to reply to your thread except in the way I did.
That sentence doesn't actually make any sense, but what I think you're trying to say is:
I can behave like a spoilt child if I want, I have that right.
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I made my comments fairly clear, and if you need any extra incentive added, that's all on you.
We know what your incentives are. It's to scream and shout and throw a childish tantrum if anyone dares to decry the man who's picture is plastered all over your bedroom wall.
It's really quite obvious.
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You assessment of who has the 'high moral ground ' here is irrelevent to me.
I'm sure it is, because you know you have the moral hi
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The main problem I have with PN being River is he's now my Sister.
I had a complicated childhood.
It's scary how close I am in Simon in a lot of ways now I think about it though. I mean, stupidly loyal to friends and family, top 3% at school, useless with women...
Seriously a girl approached me in a club not too long ago, asked if I wanted to buy her a drink and in my druken state I said "why?"
I mean for crying out loud.
Bloody moron.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.
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That's why I replied to those who think it's funny that this bastard OBL could gain any support from any human being.Quote:
Now, I never thought you could get me to oppose any statement opposing OBL, who killed the relatives of people I actually know, but I think there's an implication in this statement I want to object to.
Osama Bin Laden is the enemy. 'Any American' would not have been a problem, but as the enemy, Bin Laden has the support of the enemy, which he has duly earned. He helps their people, and opposes their enemies. As such, he has and deserves their support, and they, the terrorists and their, well, constituents, as it were, are human beings. And that last was the implication which I resented.
I don't think this is what Auraptor meant. But I have begun to suspect that this administration's advisors in private, or at least subconsciously, think of the Iraqis and Iranians as less than human, at least as children who need our stern hand to guide them, and possibly as low as dogs, who need to be cared for, but whose masters deserve their alleigence. If it were not so, I have nothing to explain the events which have unfolded in the ME.
But just as I don't think this is what auraptor meant, I don't think this is what citizen meant. I think his joke could be correctly viewed as auraptor did, but I think that all that was intended was malice against Bush, not elevation of Bin Laden, which may have been an unintention consequence.Quote:
His orders are responsible for more civilian deaths than Osama's,
I don't think this is factually true. You have to include Bin Laden's asian african and european ops.
Citizen,
Chill. I think Auraptor has a point. Bush the political point of view is different from Bush as a man. As a man, Bush is a completely degenerate individual, who deserves no respect. But Bush, the political entity is totally different, because Bush is just the spokesman for the neocons, who have a political point of view that I disagree with.NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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’m sorry, is this Auraptor's fantasy time? GWB didn't cause this mess, so who did order the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq which has caused both countries to destabilise further, the Middle Eastern region to grow increasingly to all out war, upwards of 100,000 civilians to be killed, and an increase in terrorist activity?
I said W didn't START this mess, but he sure as hell is responding to those who did. Need a road map for this one ? I'll make it easy for you Osama and Saddam.
I know it's the in thing to ridicule Bush and call him all manner of things unflattering, but he's still smarter than Kerry. Not saying much, but it's a fact. Those 2 were our only real choices, and I'm glad we chose the better. Granted, neither will be confused w/ Stephen Hawking in regards to I.Q, but that's what we were stuck with.
Quote:There you go again, telling me what I supposidly think, and getting it wrong,..again. Trust me, I know sarcasm, and you do it very poorly. But to be honest, I prefer dropping Atomic bombs to end world wars that have killed millions, and would otherwise kill 100,000's of more civilians and soldiers.
so you obviously LOVE dropping nuclear weapons on civilians..
Whether the lame ass joke was directed at Tony Blair, G.W. Bush or any leader of a country which had seen its citizens butchered by Islamic terrorism, I'd have responded in like manner. Your constant inability to comprehend that simple issue clarifies , to me, the idiot/liar question I asked earlier. Case in point.... ?
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Seriously a girl approached me in a club not too long ago, asked if I wanted to buy her a drink and in my druken state I said "why?"
I mean for crying out loud.
G'day.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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