Iraq Situation is Bullshit
POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 22:11
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Great headline today, the US has announced long term plans to rotate U.S. troops each year in Iraq. This sucks, whatever happened to a quick operation and the discovery of weapons? The actions of my country are extremely wrong and personally embarassing to me.
U.S. soldiers are now in rotation for a 2 day vacation at a "Rest Camp in Iraq," meanwhile Georgie just left for his "month long vacation." WTF?
We need to get the hell out of Iraq and bring our soldiers home. I have many friends without Dad's and little babies being born without parents and this is bullshit, no one is protecting me from Freedom, this is just meddling bullshit in other countries and inspiring more terrorism and world wide hatred against the United States FOR NO GOD DAMN GOOD REASON.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030813/ap_on_re_mi
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If the US moves out of Iraq while things are not in order, it could all go to shit.
"Let's moon 'em!"
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Sufficed to say it is shit, it'll only get worse
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I don't quite know what to say Tash. I agree with you totally that we shouldn't be in the situation in the first place. But to go over there, decimate their infrastructure and then just leave those people to their own devices, subject to any number of goon squads as bad or worse than Hussein would be cruel in the extreme. I'm as cynical as the next man about the real motives of our leaders and their financiers, but whether we like it or not, we've set ourselves up as THE responsible party for the current mess in Iraq. As to the service men and women suffering through it, I sympathize and feel we should work to get them out as soon as practical, but it's a volunteer force - they new what they were signing up for.
This is an interesting debate, but I won't be commenting further. I've seen these kinds of threads ad nauseum on the GORRAM ___ Firefly site and its part of the reason I don't visit there more often.
SergeantX
"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith
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I've seen these kinds of threads ad nauseum on the GORRAM ___ Firefly site and its part of the reason I don't visit there more often.
That's too bad :(
Why don't you just stay out of the Off-topic folder? I would hate to think that you let the bad vibes of the political threads discourage you from the other Firefly conversation over there -- but then again, I'm one of those naive people who, because of all the threads she has ignored, has avoided all the bad vibes and was unaware that there were any to begin with.
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I've seen these kinds of threads ad nauseum on the GORRAM ___ Firefly site and its part of the reason I don't visit there more often.
That's too bad :(
Why don't you just stay out of the Off-topic folder? I would hate to think that you let the bad vibes of the political threads discourage you from the other Firefly conversation over there -- but then again, I'm one of those naive people who, because of all the threads she has ignored, has avoided all the bad vibes and was unaware that there were any to begin with.
Hate to burst your bubble, but ANY recent posts show up on the main page no matter what channel they were posted in. So the peeps that only read the recent posts on the main page have to filter out the shit.
As for 'Tash, the American foreign policy of being the world's police force has been going on since the Cold War. Wake up, the gorram government isnt gonna be changing their ways anytime soon. Especially not after some whining in a Firefly forum! Whatever personal reasons you have aside, griping doesnt do anything except bug the hell out of the people here with your off-topic tangent. With all due respect, go whine somewhere else.
As for all the off-Firefly topic channels, can we plz get them severed from the main page. I'm sick and tired of people droning on about Angel and Buffy and Iraq! I dont wanna hear aboot it! I'm here for Firefly!
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I don't think the idea is to change the policy, although that would be nice, so much as to vent at the stupidity. I think one of the stupidest things I ever heard was bush saying, "Bring it on." Since when do we want to encourage people to attack our troops in what is meant to be a peaceful rebuilding effort?
I think we should have gone into Iraq when we said we would during the first Bush’s time, there were rebellions that were crushed because the people rose up when they were asked to but never got the help we promised. Still even if going in was the right idea (I’m not sure if it was, I just think we should have the first time because we said we would and the people who rebelled were counting on us) staying for an extended period isn’t.
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...go whine somewhere else.
For shame, Zero. A forum, by definition, is an opportunity for open discussion. This is a forum! Wasn't it Voltaire who stated, "I may not agree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it"? If you don't like what Tash opines, then read another thread.
As for Tash's opinion...I am as big of a war-monger as the next guy, but I have to agree with Tash. We shouldn't be there. There is nothing to be gained. Iraq has existed for, what? Six thousand years? And they have yet to create a democracy for themselves? Why should they start now? Why should a country that has been around for 200 years (us) tell them how to run the show? What makes us better? This is nothing more than unabashed imperialism (not that I'm against that per se, but lets colonize a county that has more to offer than zealots, sand, and a little oil.)
I say yes to "blood for oil." No to pussyfooting around. Bismark wrote that "The most humane way to wage a war is wage an all out one." So lets stop fucking around, take what we need, and go home. C'mon Georgie, we all know how it looks no matter how you try to sugar coat it. You're only wasting lives. Do what you need to, then get out.
Viva Firefly!
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And, what's more! Do you visit a specific friend and say, "I'm only here to discuss Sony Playstation, so let's not stray from topic"? If something doesn't happen with Firefly, we will have discussed everything there is to discuss about Firefly, three times over, then sit at our computers looking at a defunct site because there is nothing more to say.
And what can be said really? We all love Firefly; We all hate fox. Let's try a new topic once in a while until the DVD's come out. Then we will have oodles to talk about, until the movie comes out. For now viva la conversacio'n!
Viva Firefly!
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You know what this situation reminds me of? The play "the mouse that roared." In case you haven't seen it it is about a small country that declares war on the US in order to lose and end up being supported by US aid.
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