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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
That's really what I wanted to know. I know the initial campaign offended you and others and I wanted to interview you as a sample of that group to see what I could do to mend those fences.
Well, I can't say I appreciate much being used as a test audience all the time [looks for DOUGP9] but it certainly wasn't offensive. The emotions that fundraisers inspire is similar to the feeling one gets when ringside watching rally races - it's always that one hill that sends every car sailing nose-first into the right-hand ditch; these blokes aren't generally given the option to rehearse the course beforehand, so it's just sort of depressing to see everyone react to an unknown situation in exactly the same way, with almost identical negative results.
I was honestly prepared to cheer you on, even throw in a few hundred bones every now and again, but your idea would only work if, like I said, strangers were able to put a lot of faith into an unknown intellectual property that wasn't already someone else's bunk darling.
Now, if you had an established director who could throw in his own money to build sets, hire a crew, writers, actors, etc. and this director could produce a pilot to be shown to the world via BitTorrent and the eDonkey network then solicit support, the idea might suck ... less, as the director and team would still be under pressure from the fans (the director would be answering to many many 'producers'). But at least there's a chance for said established directors to fulfill a few ho-hum obligations to big networks, make big network money, whilst saving his/her baby projects for direct-to-fanbase internet distribution. Said director would be at the mercy of the mob, but a mob that loves them, rather than a smoke-filled board room where a coupla snots consistently veto every proposition the director has to offer because they didn't like the guy's car.
An opinion merely, which is to say I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Originally posted by Tallgrrl:
The way to make sure Universal knows that we want a sequel is to make sure that Serenity (and Firefly) stuff that's licensed by the studio gets bought.
DVDs, CDs, novels, books, Hot Topic t-shirts (those are the ones that are licensed), RPGs, trading cards...
That's how they know that there's an audience for more.
That's what's going to make them decided whether they can make money off of a Serenity/Firefly franchise.
Yeah! Like:
Lots of this Universal Serenity stuff has a link to it on the home page of www.fireflyfans.net
Serenity movie:
Serenity Dvd-Widescreen
Serenity Dvd-Fullscreen
Serenity VHS-Fullscreen
Serenity UMD Video for PSP (Handheld Sony PSP Game Player)
Books:
Serenity by Keith R.A. DeCandido (novel based on the motion picture screenplay)
Serenity the Official Visual Companion
Serenity Role Playing Game -book not just for RPGers-
Serenity the Official Movie Magazine --can still find some hidden on the shelves in Suncoast stores, book stores, Comic book stores.
Music: Serenity soundtrack CD music by David Newman
Comic Books: Serenity 1,2,3 3 comics - 9 different covers -
or the graphic novel
Serenity T-Shirts at the mall Hot Topic stores.
Serenity My Turn 250169-004 XL
Serenity Logo 272754-004 XL
Serenity Browncoat 211458-004 XL
Serenity Movie Poster --saw two recently at a Suncoast store also see www.fireflyfans.net home page
Serenity Zippo Lighter from Dark Horse Comics
Serenity Ornament (model) from Dark Horse Comics
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Originally posted by ZiiAnarkist:
Well, I can't say I appreciate much being used as a test audience all the time [looks for DOUGP9] but it certainly wasn't offensive. The emotions that fundraisers inspire is similar to the feeling one gets when ringside watching rally races - it's always that one hill that sends every car sailing nose-first into the right-hand ditch; these blokes aren't generally given the option to rehearse the course beforehand, so it's just sort of depressing to see everyone react to an unknown situation in exactly the same way, with almost identical negative results.
I was honestly prepared to cheer you on, even throw in a few hundred bones every now and again, but your idea would only work if, like I said, strangers were able to put a lot of faith into an unknown intellectual property that wasn't already someone else's bunk darling.
Now, if you had an established director who could throw in his own money to build sets, hire a crew, writers, actors, etc. and this director could produce a pilot to be shown to the world via BitTorrent and the eDonkey network then solicit support, the idea might suck ... less, as the director and team would still be under pressure from the fans (the director would be answering to many many 'producers'). But at least there's a chance for said established directors to fulfill a few ho-hum obligations to big networks, make big network money, whilst saving his/her baby projects for direct-to-fanbase internet distribution. Said director would be at the mercy of the mob, but a mob that loves them, rather than a smoke-filled board room where a coupla snots consistently veto every proposition the director has to offer because they didn't like the guy's car.
An opinion merely, which is to say I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Thanks for taking the time to write out a complete and thought out response. I apologize if it felt like test marketing to you. It certainly was started in that light.
The site relaunches later this week starting with simple ideas a Browncoat can use to keep the conversation about Firefly going.
More and bigger stuff will follow as the leads I have been given either play out or not.
Thanks again,
Andrew
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Originally posted by rhizod:
Adrew,Quote:
He helped me see that fan money even if given to Joss represents a loss of power to the decision makers at the studios involved. They want full control over what they do and often will make decisions not based on logic, but the emotion of the moment. Films and TV shows often do not get made because the person in charge of the decision doesn't like the maker of the show (happens everywhere in life but is magnified in entertainment where relatively few shows are made versus not made).
Thank you for the clarification. But... Isn't this *exactly why* it is such a good idea with fan-sponsored TV? To put it bluntly: to take away power from the stuipd power hungry media gurus that forced changes in the show and cancelled it in the first place based on their "feelings"?
Actually, if someone had a trustable fun-raising campain for any series, be it "barbie horse adventures", I would donate just for the piviledge of giving the finger to the decision-makers who don't listen to the fans...
I don't deny what you are saying - however Fox owns the rights to this TV show and we will have to play by their rules somewhat if we want to have any chance at all.
A brand new show, as you mention, would be a good vehicle as well for helping kickstart this new method of distribution.
Andrew
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Originally posted by CBY:
Have you guys considered the possible side effect that Joss could be finished in Hollywood by taking our money and take the piss out of the studios with it? I think this the point that was made here.
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Exactly why we stopped the campaign. It wasn't mine or anyone else's right to decide Joss' career path.
Andrew
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Originally posted by Tallgrrl:Quote:
Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
Sorry I didn't see this thread earlier as the thread I started got banished to the troll dungeon (not sure it deserved that but I respect the judgement of the admins of this forum).
A noble effort there, but I think that in the meanwhile you should do some research. Maybe take some classes in TV production...especially on the money side...and find out what goes into making and producing a (network) TV show.
It seems that you found out that it's a little bit..no, it's more...complicated and involved than just raising some money.
Take care and good luck.
"Take me, sir. Take me hard." -- Zoe
Thanks for the acknowledgement and your points. I think the classes you mention are found in the school of hard knocks...:)
Andrew
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Ladies and gents, there is absolutely no way Firefly will return to the airwaves for a couple of reasons:
1-First, all the head honchos at Fox who were there when Firefly was greelit an then destroyed are gone. The new set of executives are too busy trying to make their own mark on the TV landscape with such lofty offerings like Ice Skating with Farm Animals, or something like that. They have no interest in reviving something that someone else made.
2-Second, the cast would be almost impossible to recreate if the show were picked up by another network, say SciFi. They have signed TV contracts with other networks as a result of their exposure on Firefly. Nathan, for example, signed a deal with NBC. I know that NBC owns SciFi, but I'm not sure the others aren't contracted elsewhere. As much as I love SciFi, they simply don't have the funds to purchase those contracts and put the show back in production.
3-Last, we shot ourselves in our own foot with our excitement. Fox isn't going to lift a finger on Firefly as long as they are making money off of it without doing a thing. They've made tons off of a show they don't even have to pay for. I saw a breakdown recently that suggested Firefly made a modest @ $1 million profit per episode. When you combine that with production costs for the series, development, and pilot, you figure they just about broke even when they cancelled the series. Then, lo and behold, we went out and bought millions of dollars worth of DVDs of this show that cost them nothing. To quote another one of my favorite movies, they are sitting in the fabled catbird's seat. They have nothing to lose.
Our best bet is for a Serenity sequel, which given DVD sales and other fan interest is entirely reasonable. That's the direction for our efforts. I would trade all my worldly belongings to get Firefly on the air again, but it will never happen. It may be a result of an emotion decision, as some of you have suggested. But I imagine that, now, it is more of a financial decision. Am I happy? No, but I'm glad we have what we have.
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Originally posted by CBY:
Have you guys considered the possible side effect that Joss could be finished in Hollywood by taking our money and take the piss out of the studios with it?
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browncoatsriseagain:
[The decision makers] want full control over what they do and often will make decisions not based on logic, but the emotion of the moment.
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rhizod:
Thank you for the clarification. But... Isn't this *exactly why* it is such a good idea with fan-sponsored TV? To put it bluntly: to take away power from the stuipd power hungry media gurus that forced changes in the show and cancelled it in the first place based on their "feelings"?
Actually, if someone had a trustable fun-raising campain for any series, be it "barbie horse adventures", I would donate just for the piviledge of giving the finger to the decision-makers who don't listen to the fans...
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browncoatsriseagain:
I don't deny what you are saying - however Fox owns the rights to this TV show and we will have to play by their rules somewhat if we want to have any chance at all.
A brand new show, as you mention, would be a good vehicle as well for helping kickstart this new method of distribution.
Right; I'm (slowly) getting the point here... If fan based TV is echonomically feasible, it still has a kind of chicken-or-egg problem. Before the money collection project has grown so big that it is a power on the same scale as other media companies, it does more damage than service to the shows it promotes...
A new show is not really an option either, since general people would be much less inclined to contribute.
What would solve the problem is if some director/writer, like Joss himself, went out on the dangerous limb and started the project; pledging to his fans to donate. And, frankly, that is not very realistic; I don't think I'll would do that if I was in his shoes...
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Originally posted by milford:
1-First, all the head honchos at Fox who were there when Firefly was greelit an then destroyed are gone. The new set of executives are too busy trying to make their own mark on the TV landscape with such lofty offerings like Ice Skating with Farm Animals, or something like that. They have no interest in reviving something that someone else made.
I think that's irrelevant. It doesn't matter who is calling the shots. If something comes across as a clear winner, studio executives won't pass on it. The bottom line is always... well... the bottom line.
Executives, whether at a TV or a movie studio are paid to make money. In both areas, it's done by putting stuff out there that people watch. If there's anything these guys can do, it's count beans. The fan base started small with TV. It grew with the DVD. It grew more with the movie. It's growing even now with the movie on DVD. With a steadily increasing fan base, and steadily improving profits, the venture becomes viewed as more profitable, which improves its chances for another go-round. I don't care what the studio execs' personal feelings are on the show, they aren't paid to say no to money.
I see only good that can come from sharing the DVDs of something I like with others, regardless of whether or not it translates into re-lighting the Firefly.
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Originally posted by SerenityForever:
I see only good that can come from sharing the DVDs of something I like with others, regardless of whether or not it translates into re-lighting the Firefly.
Amen to that. After all, the worst that can happen is that you get to initiate some lucky soul into the Browncoats. The best that can happen, however, is that you make a convert, a sale, and one more vote to get Serenity into the air again.
No matter what, we win.
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!
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