River. Answers!!!
POSTED BY: 25MyTurn25
UPDATED: Thursday, January 14, 2010 22:22
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Originally posted by Bowie:
River
They took Christmas away.Came down the stairs for the shiny presents, but they took the tree and
the stockings. Nothing left but coal.
Jayne
Christmas?
Simon.
River, whata re you talking about?
River
Christmas. You can't open your
presents before.And don't look in the closet, either.That's greedy. It's not in the
spirit of the holiday.
My translation.
River
They aren't paying you. You were so excited about getting paid, came down with your hopes up, but instead your being arrested with us.
Jayne.
I have a bad feeling about what your saying.
Simon:
I have no clue. I really don't understand River
River.
You can't count on getting paid before. Don't look for bad ways of making money, its greedy. Its wrong to pretend to protect people and then sell them, not in the spirit of family.
thats my feelings anyway.
That was more or less my interpretation it as well. It struck me that she really did seem to be directing the comment at Jayne. I didn't quite get it all the first time I watched it but second time 'round I was fairly certain that she was acknowledging that Jayne had betrayed them only to miss out on his reward and get arrested with them.
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The "copper for a kiss" thing could also have been a reference to ancient greeks. They would put a copper coin in the mouths of dead children. Since both her and simon were obviously educated (remember the egyptian reference?) she could have picked up that fact somewhere in her jumbled brain and said it as a joke. If I remember right, she laughs after saying it.
Wash: Yeah, but psychic? That sounds like science fiction.
Zoe: You live on a spaceship, dear.
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Originally posted by JellyBean:Quote:
Originally posted by Bowie:
River
They took Christmas away.Came down the stairs for the shiny presents, but they took the tree and
the stockings. Nothing left but coal.
Jayne
Christmas?
Simon.
River, whata re you talking about?
River
Christmas. You can't open your
presents before.And don't look in the closet, either.That's greedy. It's not in the
spirit of the holiday.
My translation.
River
They aren't paying you. You were so excited about getting paid, came down with your hopes up, but instead your being arrested with us.
Jayne.
I have a bad feeling about what your saying.
Simon:
I have no clue. I really don't understand River
River.
You can't count on getting paid before. Don't look for bad ways of making money, its greedy. Its wrong to pretend to protect people and then sell them, not in the spirit of family.
thats my feelings anyway.
That was more or less my interpretation it as well. It struck me that she really did seem to be directing the comment at Jayne. I didn't quite get it all the first time I watched it but second time 'round I was fairly certain that she was acknowledging that Jayne had betrayed them only to miss out on his reward and get arrested with them.
Same take here - and I love that she is teasing him about it.
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Ain't. We. Just.
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I agree with what other people have said, River did gleam Miranda from the Alliance parliment and she did get better when she realized what the whole truth was, but...
I also think Mal's quote is also his own misunderstanding of the situation. He sees the truth burning up River's mind, but he isn't necessarily thinking about the drugs and lobotomies.
Maybe I'm just biased, but I love it when dialog shows a character to misunderstand something, especially so subtlely. Makes them human. (He had a sword stuck through him and still kicked the crap out of the operative, something has to show he's not infallible)
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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
1) In Serenity When Mal says to the Operative "I know the secret that burned up River Tam's brain" What does he mean. I know he is talking about the Reavers and Miranda, but what does that have to do with hurting River, and If she went to an academy on miranda how come she didn't either become Reaver like or lay down and die.
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The "Going up the downslide" thing is a reference to the fact that they were going from the Mourge to the Recovery Ward. Doing it backwards.
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I really never put "Copper for a kiss" as being a read she had on what was going on. Mainly because right after it Jayne acts way too nervous and that's when you see her get the read on him and it hits her what he's planning. At least that's always what I thought the look on her face was.
Unless it's that her mind read that he was going to betray them. Her mouth spit it out. Then she actually processed it consciously and figured it out.
Either way I don't really see Joss using two Judas references in the same verse. He's more creative than that.
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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
Another thing, in "Safe" River is tied to the post and Simon is beside her, and she says "Post Holer, digging holes for posts." I know that is what kaylee says earlier in the episode but what is behinde that? and why does that make simon do what he does? I probably know the answer but opinions are really good to know.
River - You belived her, made a face.
As you noticed, she's actually tied to a post. A couple of hours earlier she was playing with the same kind of instrument that dug the hole for the post that she is now tied too. She thinks it's ironically funny.
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"People tell you things all the time without talking. The way they move; the way they aren't talking." -River Tam, R. Tam Sessions: Session 1 Excerpt
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Reading this thread is very enlightening!
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Hi 25myturn25,
Very pleased to meet you. Any friend of River is a friend of mine. :)
River, as you know by now, was never on Miranda. In fact, what happened at Miranda happened several years ago. We know this, because Kaylee suddenly remembers the name (after the Maidenhead fight):
Kaylee: Wait a tick; yeah. Some years back there was a call for workers to settle on Miranda.
The mishap with the "pax" (G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate) is the big secret the Allience is afraid River knows (a rather cute name for their 'pacifier', as 'pax', of course, is Latin for 'peace'). And why are they afraid River knows? The Operative lays it all out:
Operative: Do you know what your sin is, Doctor? ... It's Pride.
(Operative shows recording of Dr. Mathias saying to Simon)
Dr. Mathias: Key members of Parliament have personally observed this subject.
(Operative pauses recording)
Operative: "Key members of Parliament." ... Key. The minds behind every diplomatic and covert operation in the galaxy. And you put them in a room with a psychic!
Later, after River woke up from the effects of the safe phrase, she hints to knowing things that are not hers:
River: The memory. It isn't mine. And I shouldn't have to carry it. It isn't mine.
As for "Copper for a kiss", I think it really means: a penny for your thought. As in: "I'd really like to know what you're thinking." I think River is, in fact, referring to Jayne's betrayal, but in a more subtle way than the whole Judas' thing. It's more like a tease; like: "Hmm, wouldn't it be interesting to know what you're thinking?" Like psyching Jayne out. Only River really knows what she meant, of course. :)
"Stupid SOB, dress me up like a Gorram Doll!"
This is an interesting one. :) I do not have the official script (as I am shamefully new to this myself, actually); but maybe she's saying:
"Dress me up like a Gorham doll!"
As Gorham dolls are rare, collectible child dolls. Although "gorram" really does fit the scene better (wasn't she cussing in Chinese, thereafter?). We need an expert in here. Unless there's already an official script proving me wrong; nah mei guan-shee.
P.S. Okay, novacane is wearing off (had an early dental appointment). Time to go to sleep again. :)
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam.
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Concerning the comment "Copper for a kiss"- my first reaction to that line was something along the lines of River wanting to kiss Jayne because she's crushing on him, and she brings up Jayne's love for money as a sort of 'if you kiss me I will pay you.', and she just blurted it out because she was waking up disorientated. 
Upon further pondering, I am more in agreement to the thought that it refers to Jayne's betrayal.
One more interesting River moment I want to bring up is that in OiS, she doesn't wake up Jayne to help fight Early. Was it because she doesn't trust him? Or maybe because the situation called for a little subtlety and Jayne would have just barged in shooting. Any thoughts out there?
"If I was creating the world, I wouldn't have wasted my time with daffodills and butterflies! I would've started with lasers. 8 o'clock. Day One." -Evil Incarnate
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