River. Answers!!!

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25MYTURN25

Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:27 AM

Another thing, in "Safe" River is tied to the post and Simon is beside her, and she says "Post Holer, digging holes for posts." I know that is what kaylee says earlier in the episode but what is behinde that? and why does that make simon do what he does? I probably know the answer but opinions are really good to know.

River - You belived her, made a face.

SAMEERTIA

Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:40 AM

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
Also someone mentioned in ariel River says, "we're doing it backwards, going up the downslide." Or somehting like that. What is she talking about?

River - You belived her, made a face.

I think she was referring to the doctor who was making the mistake with his patient. "He's doing it backwards. Going up the downslide".
Giving a vaso-restrictor to a heart-surgery patient would have been doing exactly that.

I just wanted to cheer for Simon right there, and the proud look that River gives him when he comes back... priceless!

SAMEERTIA

Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:48 AM

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
Another thing, in "Safe" River is tied to the post and Simon is beside her, and she says "Post Holer, digging holes for posts." I know that is what kaylee says earlier in the episode but what is behinde that? and why does that make simon do what he does? I probably know the answer but opinions are really good to know.

River - You belived her, made a face.

I think the best people to answer that one are Tim Minear and Joss Whedon. To me it's one of those brilliant multi-layered moments, where things come to a head. In fact, all of "Safe" is like that. That's why I think it's my favorite episode.

River says ALOT in "Safe"; her swearing fit that ends with her looking straight at Mal and saying "You're not him."
Mal isn't who?

Later, we learn about their father practically abandoning River and rejecting Simon for trying to save her.
Did she mean Mal wasn't her father? Later, when she says, "Daddy will come for us, and I'll get better." was she really referring to Mal, confusing the patriarchal (sp?) figures in her life?

"Post holer- for digging holes for posts." Repeating Kaylee's words- digging up a 'happy' memory, perhaps? Perhaps trying to show Simon that she's coherent?

Or something even stronger- Kaylee comforts Simon. She loves and admires him. In their darkest hours, is River comforting Simon by recalling Kaylee's words?

Or perhaps it's all of the above.

THEONETRUEBIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:55 AM

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River says ALOT in "Safe"; her swearing fit that ends with her looking straight at Mal and saying "You're not him."
Mal isn't who?

Ok, I just watched this episode again recently and I do not recall ever hearing her say this.

CHOPPYBADGER

Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:41 AM

Back then, didn't they pay stuff with goats or cuneiform clay tablets or something?!!

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SAMEERTIA

Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:18 AM

It's there.

Right in the beginning, she swears and throws Simon's med kit just as Mal enters.
At the end of her swearing she looks straight at him and says "Your not him."

Mal looks at Simon and says, "So, she's added swearing and hurling about of things to her repetoire."
Simon: "She's just having a bad day is all."

Mal: "No, a bad day is when someones yelling spooks the cattle. You ever seen cattle stampede when it's got nowhere to go?"

25MYTURN25

Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:07 AM

Little ol' me got y'all yet another question about the ever mysterious ways of river tam. In Safe (again) At the very beggining right after the flashback River says something like

"Stupid S O B dressed me up like a gorram doll!" Uhhh what? Is this refering to her expreince at the academy or something I don't know, but answer if you do

River - You belived her, made a face.

KYLELITKE

Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:12 AM

For the record, as far as "Copper for a kiss" goes, I kind of got the same "Judas/Jesus" reference...Judas sold Jesus out by going up to him and kissing him, to let the soldiers know which one was Jesus. It struck me as one of those crazy River things where she kind of knows what's going on, but not entirely, and nobody else would ever know what she was talking about.

KYLELITKE

Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:18 AM

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I thought Judas was paid thirty peices of silver, not copper?

I thought this line referred to the old practice of putting copper coins over a dead person's eyes, so they would be able to pay Charon's fee to cross over. Since River had just returned 'from the dead', she would have a couple of unused copper coins. Maybe a slight touch of River/Jayne shipping, there?

You're right, it was thirty pieces of silver, but on the other hand, "Thirty pieces of silver for a kiss" doesn't sound quite good. ;)

In all honesty though, Judas received thirty pieces of silver, but since then the phrase has been used in other ways, but essentially boils down to "money to sell me out", no matter which words are used. I honestly don't know for sure what the intent was, but I always assumed it was a Judas reference without being obvious.

And just as another point of curiosity, wasn't it just a couple of episodes before (Jaynestown, I believe) that River was messing with Book's bible and trying to fix it? Could be where she picked up the Judas thing, even if she changed the phrase. Just a thought.

STDOUBT

Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:04 AM

The mentioning of the silver reminds me -

I haven't seen anyone on this board mention that
right after betraying our BDH, Mr. Universe turns
to the Operative and says "..hand me my thirty coin..". An obvious reference to Christ's betrayal.
Scary!!!!
edit: P.S. I am wigging out that I can't find any
non-FF/Serenity reference to "copper for a kiss".
If that's truly original to Whedon -the boy IS a
gorram genius.
"Copper for a kiss" Just sounds SO real-life Olde
England!!!!!

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