Hyperspace?
POSTED BY: Rodwy
UPDATED: Saturday, January 21, 2006 20:46
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hehe this one again :]
Ok heres my (admitedly uninformed opinion) as an experimental particle physicist.
(sorry for the typos but .. meh)
Whilst extra dimensions and all these things sound cool, what they tend to be used for most is to get big shiny research grants out of the military.
most of the future tech from star wars program was physicists making outrageous claims to military bods to justify their pet projects. Its standard practise.
Whilst im not sure about the actual physics of his extra dimension machine its worth pointing ou that there have been LOTS of theories that use extra dimensions, but as of yet none have been found, not saying they wont be but tbh im skeptical.
As you reach the scary edge of theoreticla physics ,whihc im afraid extra dimensions and the other associated things are. (non integer dimensions, M-branes, string theory, supersymetry, Msugra, graviton waves etc etc there tend to be as many explanations as theoretical physicists working on them. THe big roblem is that there is so little informaiton and the whole area is so damn strange that the parameter space is only limited by the imagination and the ability to do maths. So yes it COULD work but so could a lot of arndom thigns and its only one of a hunderad million equally way out theories. It just seems like this guy managed to get a cheque thrown his way.
The article mentions 'Z' a z pinch Inertial confinement fusion machine at scandia national labs. Yes it can produce those fields but only for nanoseconds and to be farnk its absolutly ENORMOUS! so you probaly wouldnt get very far if you need a machine like that to make a 50 micoron extra dimension (the size of the things they are doing at the moment).
Also not wising to add extra credence to it by mentioning scandia, IF thre turns out to be anyhting actually hapening here it will throw quantum mechinics on its head and then the WHOLE physics community will be very interestd in it. However quantum mech and the associated particle physics have been tested pretty thoroughly already so as i say im not that hopeful that we will have a shiny new theory to play with, and even less hopeful it will lead to the USS enterprise.
Sorry i know that there are a lot of respectable theorists out there its just ive had to sit through quite a number of SUSE talks recently and im still not sure i believe ;]
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This makes me think of a brand new show for FOX to ruin...!
This is the first though I had on reading the headline. 
"Welcome to Mars express: only a three hour trip"
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Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
A tale of a fateful trip
That started from this rocket port
Aboard this theoretical ship.
The mate was a mighty rocket man,
The skipper brave and sure.
Five passengers set forth that day
For a three hour tour, a three hour tour.
The engines started running rough,
The tiny ship was tossed,
If not for the courage of the fearless crew
The prototype would be lost, the prototype would be lost.
The ship set down on the surface of this uncharted desert moon
With Gilligan
The Skipper too,
The trillionaire and his wife,
The movie star
The professor and Mary Ann,
Here on Gilligans Moon.
So this is the tale of the castways,
They're here for a long, long time,
They'll have to make the best of things,
It's a gravity well climb.
The first mate and the Skipper too,
Will do their very best,
To make the others comfortable,
In the arid, airless nest.
No water, no air no protien bars,
Not a single luxury,
Like Robinson Crusoe,
As primative as can be.
So join us here each week my freinds,
You're sure to get a smile,
From seven stranded castways,
Here on "Gilligan's Moon."
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Perhaps one too many happy pills today...
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dc4bs
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
It is based on controversial theories from some time ago. So, whether these theories are correct is still open for debate, never mind if they can be applied practically.
I at least will wait to see if the theory holds water before I begin to get my hopes up.
Basically, to say that the media jumped the gun here is rather an understatement.
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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki
The quantum theory is still the leading scientific theory. It has been gaining ground in the scientific wold for many years and there are huge labs trying to prove the theory by discovering. Certian subatomic particles which would greatly aid in the progress of the theory. And as some of you said that you don't care about the math or the classic Math is not my friend thing. Well math is my friend. Oh and BTW I'm only 15.
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Originally posted by rplackett:
The article mentions 'Z' a z pinch Inertial confinement fusion machine at scandia national labs. Yes it can produce those fields but only for nanoseconds and to be farnk its absolutly ENORMOUS! so you probaly wouldnt get very far if you need a machine like that to make a 50 micoron extra dimension (the size of the things they are doing at the moment).
Also not wising to add extra credence to it by mentioning scandia, IF thre turns out to be anyhting actually hapening here it will throw quantum mechinics on its head and then the WHOLE physics community will be very interestd in it. However quantum mech and the associated particle physics have been tested pretty thoroughly already so as i say im not that hopeful that we will have a shiny new theory to play with, and even less hopeful it will lead to the USS enterprise.
Sorry i know that there are a lot of respectable theorists out there its just ive had to sit through quite a number of SUSE talks recently and im still not sure i believe ;]
Those magnetic fields needed to operate this engine would require a lot of energy and would not last long, It all fals back on anti-matter.
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Quote:
Originally posted by dc4bs:
This makes me think of a brand new show for FOX to ruin...!
This is the first though I had on reading the headline.
"Welcome to Mars express: only a three hour trip"
--------------------
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
A tale of a fateful trip
That started from this rocket port
Aboard this theoretical ship.
The mate was a mighty rocket man,
The skipper brave and sure.
Five passengers set forth that day
For a three hour tour, a three hour tour.
The engines started running rough,
The tiny ship was tossed,
If not for the courage of the fearless crew
The prototype would be lost, the prototype would be lost.
The ship set down on the surface of this uncharted desert moon
With Gilligan
The Skipper too,
The trillionaire and his wife,
The movie star
The professor and Mary Ann,
Here on Gilligans Moon.
So this is the tale of the castways,
They're here for a long, long time,
They'll have to make the best of things,
It's a gravity well climb.
The first mate and the Skipper too,
Will do their very best,
To make the others comfortable,
In the arid, airless nest.
No water, no air no protien bars,
Not a single luxury,
Like Robinson Crusoe,
As primative as can be.
So join us here each week my freinds,
You're sure to get a smile,
From seven stranded castways,
Here on "Gilligan's Moon."
----
Perhaps one too many happy pills today...
------------------------------------------
dc4bs
Nice
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rodwy:
The quantum theory is still the leading scientific theory. It has been gaining ground in the scientific wold for many years and there are huge labs trying to prove the theory by discovering. Certian subatomic particles which would greatly aid in the progress of the theory. And as some of you said that you don't care about the math or the classic Math is not my friend thing. Well math is my friend. Oh and BTW I'm only 15.
This isn't based on standard quantum mechanics. It's based on someones feild theory (read: different). It was Burkhard Heim in the 50's, (this info is in the article). So, bearing that in mind, what's you point?
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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki
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Originally posted by Rodwy:
I want to know what you think, but I got the speed by using distance in kilometers from earth by using a kilometers per year traveling at the speed of light times light years to get distance. Than divided it by 365 and 80 to get speed and finally divided it by 300,000 to get times the speed of light.
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If you are trying to figure out my math with this post, don't cause this is before I changed it, cause I realized that you only divide it by 80 and not 365. Cause then you are figuringout the wrong equation and it ends up slower than it would have to be.
101,230,560,000,000/80=1,265,382,000,000
1,265,382,000,000/24=52,724,250,000
52,724,250,000/3600=14,645,625
It's easy to do the math but figuring out what I had to do was another story.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:Quote:
Originally posted by Rodwy:
The quantum theory is still the leading scientific theory. It has been gaining ground in the scientific wold for many years and there are huge labs trying to prove the theory by discovering. Certian subatomic particles which would greatly aid in the progress of the theory. And as some of you said that you don't care about the math or the classic Math is not my friend thing. Well math is my friend. Oh and BTW I'm only 15.
This isn't based on standard quantum mechanics. It's based on someones feild theory (read: different). It was Burkhard Heim in the 50's, (this info is in the article). So, bearing that in mind, what's you point?
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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki
Well the theory was made back in the 50's and if there were any inconsistencies they would have been filtered out. Plus even though its not based on true quantum mechanics, It is a different theory with ties to quantum mechanics.
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Originally posted by Rodwy:
It all fals back on anti-matter.
Which we can only create in extremely small quantities, for extremely small time intervals, which requires an ass load of energy to do.
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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki
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Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:Quote:
Originally posted by Rodwy:
It all fals back on anti-matter.
Which we can only create in extremely small quantities, for extremely small time intervals, which requires an ass load of energy to do.
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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki
Anti matter could be collected from certian types of comets, but there would be certian risks upon re-entering the atmoshpere.
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