Hollywood is trash ,too political ,and UNFAIR

POSTED BY: Windwalker
UPDATED: Saturday, January 21, 2006 07:38
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WINDWALKER

Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:23 PM

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

CARTOON

Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:30 PM

LOL

Wind, you're just killin' me with these pics.

LOL

If I didn't recognize my Dad's favorite comedians (I loved them, too), I'd think you were putting up pics of an earlier version of the current film you're complaining about.

BTW, I know this is a bit off-topic, but I prefered L&H's silents over their talkies. Unfortunately, I haven't seen head nor tail of their silents since PBS (yes, believe it or not, at one time I actually watched PBS) ran "The Dawn of L&H" (I think that was the mid 1970's).

"You don't pay me to talk pretty."

FLIPDOG

Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:10 PM

Why do you keep posting that?

The thing is, Maugwai is right to most extents. I work in the business, its not nice, its not happy, and people are stupid. Yes, good films usually get snubbed. Unless its an artsy fartsy film that is uncharacteristically well made. And the gou se eye-candy is loved for eternity.

NEVERED

Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:38 PM

Cartoon and Windwalker: have you even watched the movie?

or do you just call it shit (which seems to be the only thing you can say) out of habit?

Brokeback Mountain isn't getting awards because it 'makes a statement' or 'progresses the hollywood liberal agenda' it's getting awards because it was a damn fine movie with brilliant acting, and wasn't another cookie cutter romantic comedy, like so much of the garbage being released these days.

sure Serenity wasn't recognised. but you know what? i'm not really suprised, nor particularly angry. hell, i can pretty much see why they didn't (though i may not agree with them)

Serenity was a great action flick, an enormously entertaining sci-fi thriller, and overall just lots of fun. i really had a good time watching it.

but compare it with what else is out there, and the acting isn't really top notch and the directing falls short of most great dramas.

i would watch Serenity over anything else out there at the drop of a hat, but I can't really say that fillion acted better than ledger or that whedon directed better than lee.

Serenity was fun, entertaining, thrilling, and any number of other superlatives; but that's not the stuff that wins awards at the globes.

WINDWALKER

Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:02 PM

Actually i like Mel Brooks Westerns and movies
they deal with the subject more realistically
I think the Gay Movement takes itself too seriously

After a while it gets boring.
the references i don't mind but I see a trend in the different shows that I watch and being of a scientific nature i see a pattern and I know how propaganda works ...being that i was in an intelligence group for years.

The profile is there.
Or are we really that dumb not to see a blitz of political trash when we see it.

i say look at the pattern and count the references in your shows.
Environmental comments, sexual orientation comments, morality comments.

Hide and watch as i used to say in the bush

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

CITIZEN

Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:24 PM

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Well considering he's one of my favorite directors from Braindead to Kong, I wont.

Have you seen Bad Taste?

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CARTOON

Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:35 PM

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Originally posted by nevered:
Cartoon and Windwalker: have you even watched the movie?

No, I haven't seen the film. I don't go to see films in which I have no interest.

And I don't go see films I am interested in without first reading reviews by critics whom I respect and trust. (I've only gone to see one film in the last five years for which I first hadn't read one of their reviews, and that was "Star Wars: Episode 3". Yes, I even read reviews of "Serenity" before I went to see it.)

Why do I read reviews even before going to see a film I'm interested in? Because I'm offended by blatant sexuality, inordinant foul language and/or certain subject matters. As my income is limited and hard earned, I chose not to waste it on things which will offend me, or in support of causes to which I do not ascribe.

There have been a multitude of movies I "wanted" to see in the past years which I passed on after reading a review. BTW, I don't read reviews which just say "Fantastic!" or "Hated it!" I read reviews which provide me with the detailed info I need in order to make a well-informed decision.

Have I always agreed with the critics whose reviews I check? No. Is the information they provide me always accurate? Yes.

Firstly, I had (and still have) no desire to see this film. Secondly, the reviews for it (on which I depend) clearly show that it contains one or more of the criteria which are clearly red flags for me, and therefore cause to me pass on it even if I had been interested in seeing it.

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Originally posted by nevered:
Serenity ... (snip) but compare it with what else is out there, and the acting isn't really top notch and the directing falls short of most great dramas.

Well, I sort of agree, and sort of (respectfully) disagree with you, here. And I am not speaking as a Browncoat, but as someone who has seen several hundred films in threatres and probably ten thousand more on TV.

"Serenity" doesn't rate in my top 10. It does rate in my top 20, not because it's "great art", but because (if for no other reason) it's the only film in my life which I watched 5 times in 3 days -- and I felt if a film could addict me to it that much, it has to find a place in my list somewhere.

Regarding the acting, I do think Summer Glau's performance was outstanding. I won't go into details, as I've already done that here elsewhere, but she covered such a wide range of emotions so well -- and for someone so young, with relatively little or no major acting experience behind her -- for her to be ignored is criminal in my opinion.

Should "Serenity" have been nominated for "Best Picture"? Heck no. "Most enjoyable", perhaps. "Most addicting", definitely. Should Summer's performance have gotten a nod? In my opinion -- not just a nod, but a win.

Have I seen every film made this year, so I can compare it to them? No. Obviously not. (Thank God.) I can only base it on what I have seen, and compared to every acting performance I've ever seen, it may not be the very best. But it certainly warrants more notice and respect than it's been given.

Perhaps if Summer kissed a girl in "Serenity", she'd have been nominated. Alas, "Serenity" wasn't pushing enough of a political agenda to get Hollywood's attention.

"These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me."

THECOLLECTOR

Friday, January 20, 2006 12:42 AM

In other news... the OFCA cast their winners...

Best Picture
A History of Violence

Best Director
David Cronenberg, A History of Violence

Best Actor
Philip Seymour Hoffman, Capote

Best Actress
Reese Witherspoon, Walk the Line

Best Supporting Actor
Mickey Rourke, Sin City

Best Supporting Actress
Maria Bello, A History of Violence

Best Original Screenplay
George Clooney and Grant Heslov, Good Night, and Good Luck.

Best Adapted Screenplay
Larry McMurtry & Diana Ossana, Brokeback Mountain

Best Cinematography
Robert Rodriguez, Sin City

Best Editing
Robert Rodriguez, Sin City

Best Score
Gustavo Santaolalla, Brokeback Mountain

Best Documentary
Grizzly Man

Best Foreign Language Film
Downfall

Best Animated Feature
Wallace & Gromit in The Curse of the Were-Rabbit

Breakthrough Filmmaker
Paul Haggis, Crash

Breakthrough Performer
Owen Kline, The Squid and the Whale

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, January 20, 2006 1:03 AM

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Originally posted by maugwai:
I'm curious. How many people who keep going on about how aweful Hollywood is have actually lived here or been involved in the industry? It's really easy to talk crap about a place in which you've never actually spent any time, especially if you've never been in the industry and have no idea how films really operate.

I’ve never been to Hollywood, and I know nothing about the industry. But then I’m not talking about either of those things. I’m not even talking about the movies. I’m talking about a subculture driven by fabulously wealthy and famous people who are completely divorced from reality. And anyone who thinks that all these gay films appeared out of nowhere and all ended up winning awards by coincidence is probably also a little shy in the reality department.

But that's just me. What do I know.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

THECOLLECTOR

Friday, January 20, 2006 6:31 AM

So... why didn't De-Lovely get all the praise these movies got... hell why didn't Alexander get all the praise it's supposed to get... I mean... come on they both have Gay references to them...

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