Hollywood is trash ,too political ,and UNFAIR

POSTED BY: Windwalker
UPDATED: Saturday, January 21, 2006 07:38
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MAUGWAI

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:19 AM

I'm curious. How many people who keep going on about how aweful Hollywood is have actually lived here or been involved in the industry? It's really easy to talk crap about a place in which you've never actually spent any time, especially if you've never been in the industry and have no idea how films really operate.

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

CARTOON

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:38 AM

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Originally posted by maugwai:
I'm curious. How many people who keep going on about how aweful Hollywood is have actually lived here or been involved in the industry? It's really easy to talk crap about a place in which you've never actually spent any time, especially if you've never been in the industry and have no idea how films really operate.

I've never been inside a colon, either, but I know poo when I see it.

Just my opinion.

""Time for some thrillin' heroics."

JUBELLATE

Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:04 AM

oh, I like movies and I like people who make good movies, but all the self congratulation in the world could not stir my interest.

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H.L. Mencken

THECOLLECTOR

Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:36 AM

One problem with the Hollywood Overkill theroy is that Brokeback Mountain is that it's an Independent film... a movie that was made out of Ang Lee's pocket. He didn't go to some big production company... he did it all on his own.

One thing that is cool is that Independent movies are being recognized... and they're coming into their own... there was quite a few good ones last year and I guess... there are quite a bit this year.

LOTR:ROTK won all the awards they were nominated for because first off... the Academy turned a blind eye to TTT and Fellowship... Reason being is that had they awarded them awards for those movies... it'd be snubbing people in three years instead of one.

Star Wars won't get much attention at the oscars... maybe "Best Score" but nothing huge... I mean they won "Favorite Drama" at the People's Choice Awards... but this year was a joke... look at who won.

MAUGWAI

Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:49 PM

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Originally posted by cartoon:
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Originally posted by maugwai:
I'm curious. How many people who keep going on about how aweful Hollywood is have actually lived here or been involved in the industry? It's really easy to talk crap about a place in which you've never actually spent any time, especially if you've never been in the industry and have no idea how films really operate.

I've never been inside a colon, either, but I know poo when I see it.

Just my opinion.

""Time for some thrillin' heroics."

So in other words, you don't actually know what you're talking about. So let me school you.

If you really look at the industry, this year has been great for the film industry's state. Lately, the only movies executives want to greenlight are existing properties because they're safe. Executives get fired and promoted at the drop of a hat, and every movie that tanks is one more way to lose your job. Taking a risk is, well, it's just too risky.

So that's how we get so many adaptations and remakes: they're safe. By the way, Serenity actually falls into that category.

That's also why nobody makes "R" rated comedies anymore. Most movies are geared to adolescent boys because they tend to go to the movies more than anyone else, but they can't get into an "R" rated film.

Yet this year, King Kong did not do as well as exepected. Neither did Memoirs of a Geisha or Be Cool. Formulaic romantic comedies had mediocre returns. (anybody remember The Wedding Date?) Batman Returns didn't do well because it was Batman; it did well because it was good.

Sure, some crappy movies did well. People still pay to see crap. But the biggest surprise to everyone out here were two comedies: Wedding Crashers and Forty-Year-Old Virgin. Those are "R" rated comedies that smoked the crap out of the competition. The trades can't stop talking about Wedding.

Then there were two brilliant films that were completely original properties: the contorversial Munich and the controversial Brokeback Mountian. If there's one thing executives have learned this year, it's that we're not all adolescent boys. The execs who took risks and greenlit those pictures, especially Brokeback Mountain, will be rewarded.

Hollywood is first and foremost a business. Everyone involved needs to make money or they lose their job. Keep going to good films and they will keep making good films. But don't call everybody out here names. There are idiots within the industry, just like in any job. But there is some amazing talent out here too.

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

SPINLAND

Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:55 PM

Thanks for a breath of fresh air and intelligence, maugwai. Although I can't help but wonder: what does this thread have to do with general discussions about Firefly? Isn't there a different forum for real world events?

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WINDWALKER

Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:46 PM

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Originally posted by Spinland:
Thanks for a breath of fresh air and intelligence, maugwai. Although I can't help but wonder: what does this thread have to do with general discussions about Firefly? Isn't there a different forum for real world events?

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OK hair splitter. It is relevent to FireFly
I was ranting about how Serenity didn't get zip and Hollywood has overlooked one of the greater SciFi flicks of the 21st century for a sexualy oriented piece of garbage.
FireFly/Serenity are going be let it slip into obscurity by the Hollywood moguls
Just wait

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

SPINLAND

Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:00 PM

*shrug* Okay, I'll grant that. It's definitely disappointing that Serenity got snubbed, I agree. But what makes Brokeback Mountain any more a "sexually oriented piece of garbage" than any other romantic comedy/drama out there?

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CARTOON

Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:14 PM

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Originally posted by maugwai:
So in other words, you don't actually know what you're talking about. So let me school you.

Know what I'm talking about as regards to producing a movie? No. Guilty as charged, there.

Know what I'm talking about when I see a turd dropped in front of me and someone tries to tell me that it's "art". Sorry. I beg to differ.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Windwalker (as this was YOUR thread), this thread wasn't about what's popular or makes money, and what isn't popular and/or loses money, and why.

It's about how Hollywood goes all googoo-eyed over radical crap and bows down to itself as the purveyor of progression, when all it's doing is alienating a huge chunk of it's audience by it's self-aggrandizing behavior of material so far to the left, that a majority of Americans wouldn't wipe their posteriors with it.

As to the comment as to how one can't understand how something works if one has never worked in that field -- my previous comment was a more than sufficient reply to that allegation.

In case it needs some clarification -- I've never been inside a colon and watched the process of excrement being produced. I can't give you a specific list of ingredients or the chemical make-up of the product, or venture a guess as to the scheduling of the production or expulsion of said product. But, I can certainly recognize the end result when I see it, smell it ,or (unfortunately) step in it.

And, as I also said previously, I haven't anything against anyone pooping -- but, I'd prefer they do it in private, and not expect the rest of the world to watch and applaud while they do (which is exactly what Hollywood is doing everytime they bestow "honors" on their radical garbage).

I agree, Windwalker, "Serenity" deserved acknowledgement from the industry and was ignored. As I've repeatedly said elsewhere, Summer Glau's performance alone deserved a nod. It's a darn shame that the industry, instead choses to glorify its excrement.

""Time for some thrillin' heroics."

GEEJAKE

Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:29 PM

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Originally posted by Kent:
The gay agenda!
The widespread homosexual conspiracy!
The enormous pressure from society to make you fornicate with people of your own gender!
Hollywood constantly forcing you to watch movies with gay people in them!

It's madness! Madness!

Give me a break. It's a great movie, and getting the attention and credit it deserves... deal with it.

I thought it was piece of crap!! If you liked the film great, but if you dont think that this film is part of a far left agenda your kidding yourself...I dont mind movies that have a progressive message in it ( i am a huge fan of Robert Altman,Mike Nichols,John Sayles etc..)but i am getting tired of progressive messages being disguised as movies...Nice rant but it has nothing to do with people saying "hollywood wants you to be gay" the film in question had very little reason to me made much less raved about....

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