So, what happened here...

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TOMSIMPSONAZ

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:42 PM

Wash and Zoe were too close to making a baby and you know how annoying babies are on an airplane....imagine how bad it is on a spaceship with 9 people.

It was either kill one of them off or have an episode with lazy sperm or irregular vaginal cells, which would lead to another episode about surrogate mothers blah blah blah blah

Seriously people, duh

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WILDHARE

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:50 PM

Well I posted earlier about Wash's death.

From a character development stand point it works because Wash was having some serious issues with Mal and Zoe's relationship to the point it was starting to screw up the crews dynamic.

So it made sense to be to kill him to preserve relationships.

I really liked Wash's comedic moments. If we get another story, I'm afraid it will be sorely missed.

Also, I loved the enhanced graphics of the movie. If only they could shoot the show with the same cinematic graphics… wow.. that would be something

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NIRVANA

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:51 PM

Wow. Talk about making someone feel welcome. Give people a chance to settle in whydontcha! If someone is new to the show, maybe they need some time to act a little giddy and then hunker down into serious conversation. Maybe you have been a fan for a long time, have watched each episode a million times and are over the fact that the show was cancelled. Some of us "newbies" aren't there yet. Of course, if you are hostile towards the new fans, why would anyone want to talk?

Besides, wouldn't new blood on the board mean more insights into a topic that some people may have talked to death after 2 years?

Now that I, like you, have voiced my opinion... onto the story!

One of the reasons the character development on the show is so fantastic is that it was superbly paced. You got to know the characters in much the same way you get to know people in real life... A little bit at a time. At least that's how I do it.

I think the small quirks and eccentricities the characters had was also part of the show's brilliance. Heros can be goofy and clowns can be deadly serious. For instance, the scene where Jayne puts on that stupid hat his mum knit is brilliant!

Also, the dialogue and story point towards so many other backstories it is almost painful now that the show is over. I mean, who doesn't want to know more about Preacher and his mysterious past! I think that was what hooked me ... the notion that each episode was going to reveal a little more about the crew and their world.

1978

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:59 PM

I saw an interview with Joss and I think that a lot of people have seen the interview where he says that the Movie and other development will be the same but it had to be different than the TV show.
That being said I can see what he means becasue Mal is a little darker but at the same time if you pay attention he is the same kinda. In his personality and sense of humor but you did see a side of Mal that only came out once or twice in the TV show.

I did think that the character development was a tad flat but after seeing the TV show I kinda understand. You did not have to see the TV to see the Movie but it kinda helped. Kinda.

FLIPDOG

Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:45 AM

My point for starting this thread (assumming someone would've jumped on me earlier than this) was to try and get an intelligent conversation started. Instead of 14 different, but on the same topic, threads about why they should make another movie.

I was equally as giddy when I joined up, but I didn't start 32 threads about some gossip about the characters.

Anyways, excellent point about the baby issue. Though, it makes for great story and Zoe development. I don't think that Wash's death will be for nothing. Remmeber too that Joss made the movie for the story, not something that would appease all the fans. *cough cough Star Wars cough*

SAMEERTIA

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:07 AM

So start threads that target things you want to talk about.
I mean, we could all talk about Firefly all day, right?
I mean...er... I don't! That would be like all wierd and stuff. But I mean, some of us could.
So bring it on. You lead, we'll follow.

I don't want to see Zoe pregnant - cute baby dynamics, angsty widow dynamics, blah blah blah. I mean, some of the jokes and one-offs that come to mind are really amusing, but in the long run, not so good for Serenity or her crew.

However, what if Zoe discovers that Wash had frozen his sperm prior to becoming a pilot and has to make the decision to choose to have his child or stay with Mal?

THAT would make an interesting side story, I think.

PRINCESSROHANNEN

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wildhare:
I understood the death of Book.

That flowed with the story very well. It made sence to me and I accepted it.

The death of Wash was not so easy to understand or accept. in this case you are right it did seem very Romanesque in the frame work you stated blood for blood sake.

"They tell you 'never hit a man with a closed fist,' but it is, on occasion, hilarious."

- Capt. Malcolm Reynolds

Whedon said in the commentary for the BDM (yes, I listen to commentaries, so sue me) that he needed someone to die at the hands of the reavers in that final setting, and Alan Tudyk was all about it.

Whedon realized (correctly, I believe) that the danger wouldn't seem as real if we didn't actually watch one of them die. That death put a seed of doubt in our minds: "If he can die, then any of them could. Who's gonna get it next?"

Also, that was a classic Whedon moment. If you've ever watched any Buffy, you know how good he is at making you care about the characters and then tearing the rug out from under your feet. As much as it tore into my heart, I actually loved that moment.

CARTOON

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SameErtia:
However, what if Zoe discovers that Wash had frozen his sperm prior to becoming a pilot and has to make the decision to choose to have his child or stay with Mal?

Uh...

They don't even need to go that far (artificial insemination, etc). I mean -- Zoe can already be pregnant naturally, right?

That's the way it works, doesn't it? I mean -- as husband and wife, they have been together -- uh, physically? Right?

"I was aimin' for his head."

JOSSIZBOSS

Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:11 AM

I loved the everyday feel to the tv show as well. However, we know that the show was heading towards darker days eventually. And yes, I agree that the movie had a very different feel from the show, but they were dealing with the realities that had finally caught up to them.

If there is ever another television show that allows us to have prolonged character development and more slowly developed stories, I don't believe that FF flans need to worry one iota.

Joss Whedon is a genius. There have been times in the past when I doubted (JIB )and he has proven me wrong (brilliantly, I might add) every time. Sometimes I would think to myself that there was no possible way he could resolve something or complete a story arc, but he always came through.

A new series would be incredibly interesting. Just think about the development of all the characters after having lived through the events in the movie. Think how much closer they will all be and how they will struggle to find their role in the changed 'verse they now find themselves in (changed both on a personal scale and on a societal scale). My mouth waters like a Pavlovian dog at the prospects.

Even the possibilities for a movie or a miniseries are exciting. But I agree that they would not have as much development due to the contraints of the medium. Heck, I'll take whatever I can get!!

JIB

SAMEERTIA

Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:
Quote:
Originally posted by SameErtia:
However, what if Zoe discovers that Wash had frozen his sperm prior to becoming a pilot and has to make the decision to choose to have his child or stay with Mal?

Uh...

They don't even need to go that far (artificial insemination, etc). I mean -- Zoe can already be pregnant naturally, right?

That's the way it works, doesn't it? I mean -- as husband and wife, they have been together -- uh, physically? Right?

"I was aimin' for his head."

Cartoon, I think you're missing my point.
I don't WANT a pregnant Zoe story-line! I really really really think it's a really really really BAD idea!

What I would like to see is Zoe being faced with the choice of being able to have a child or staying on Serenity. THAT would be a great story arch! No way in hell Zoe would stay on Serenity with a baby, not after having lost Wash. That would be incredibly stupid and stupid is something Zoe isn't.

A mothers instinct is to protect her child. Zoe's JOB is to protect Mal and the ship. She cannot protect her child onboard Serenity. Wash knew this, and with his death, Zoe really has to realize it, too.

If Zoe is already pregnant at the end of the BDM, then that leaves - what? An entire season of pregnancy gags, followed by an angsty birth and Zoe leaving the ship?

OR it leaves a totally unbelievable story-line in which a protective woman like Zoe tries to raise a baby on a ship that's regularly in trouble with the law, and where she herself survives day to day in life and death situations.

We don't need a season of "Oh.. cute baby on Serenity! See Mal try to change a diaper! See Jayne refuse to pick it up! See Kaylee and Inara reduced to baby-sitter roles! See Simon start looking at Kaylee and thinking that she'd make a fine mother for his children.... oh...no, THAT would be good. But the rest of it? BAD IDEA!

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