So, what happened here...
POSTED BY: FlipDog
UPDATED: Friday, January 20, 2006 22:06
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Look, I don't want to be a buzz-kill...but what happened to all the inteligent conversations going on before the movie came out on DVD. It seems like the ol message board has turned into a gossip channel for all the new fans. No one talks bout three-dimensionality and character development. All we talk about it how much Fox sucks and how the rumors of the show coming back are either true or false.
Is anyone here still enthralled with the story?
No worries, everything's shiny. Just voicing an opinion.
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Sure, Im one of your newbies but Ok, what do you want to discuss.
Lesse, personally I thought the tone of the BDM was way way to dark and took away alot of the accessability of the show. One of the main themes I love about the show is the whole Day to Day life feel of it. This is not some special adventure, no super mission or job, this is just these peoples lives. You have fully rounded characters and noone is 2 dimensional. Except maybe the Russian, he was a touch flat for me:)
Muirgheal
A Shiny Happy Person
"Ain't we just!"
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I find that the movie dropped the dimensionality of the characters and went for the whiz-bang instead. So it makes a bit of sense that the crowd that are just getting on board now are less intense about the characters.
The original film Serenity (the two part episode) had very little flash but was super deep on the characters. In fact it was about 90% character-driven, which is what made the series such a powerful thing to watch. I have had to file the film under the "who cares what it's about just as long as the kids go"* category and try not to let it have an effect on my overall opinion of the series.
Short of a remarkable reversal, any continuation of the Firefly universe is likely to be a shadow of the original just due to the nature of the business. You can't expect the lightning to drop into the bottle again just because you open the lid.
Sag.
* References to Pink Floyd are few and far between these days, but I couldn't resist.
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Also why I'd like to see a mini-series to be the continuation. though I think the movie was character driven mainly by Mal and River. It was about both of them finding out who they truly are and what they believe in.
And this is the type of things I'd love to talk about, character, story, cinematography, etc. But its hard when the gossip posts get topped and the useful posts get pushed off the front page and even off the Gen Disc page.
I'm all for the PF reference!
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To be honest I'm glad they made the BDM... but
I too loved the everyday another day on the ship feel to Firefly. Characters had their place we all got to know them and see what they do and how they live.
The BDM pushed all the characters to the back to theme one character (River). This is done for big movie purposes I know. But it leaves very little to talk about. That and killing two very interesting characters cut a large portion of the conversation out.
Though the BDM was fun to watch and alittle nastalgic seeing our old friends doing their thing in the verse. It really was sad to see many of the characters almost take a non-existant roll.
"They tell you 'never hit a man with a closed fist,' but it is, on occasion, hilarious."
- Capt. Malcolm Reynolds
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I'm curious. Has there been any explaination of WHY the characters were killed off? It made no sense to me at all. It didn't propel the story forward, it didn't lead to any character development on the other characters parts. It was wasteful and just seemed a dagger in the heart for the sake of bleedin'.
Muirgheal
A Shiny Happy Person
"Ain't we just!"
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Yeah, but I think it gave closure to just about everything. Sure, characters have changed and been changed by certain events. And I too missed, day by day, job by job characters. Even Serenity herself took a back seat to the overlying theme.
And I like darkness (btw - you notice how the lighting was also darker?) as a cinematographic and story technique.
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Originally posted by Muirgheal:
I'm curious. Has there been any explaination of WHY the characters were killed off? It made no sense to me at all. It didn't propel the story forward, it didn't lead to any character development on the other characters parts. It was wasteful and just seemed a dagger in the heart for the sake of bleedin'.
It did lead to character development, especially for Mal. You get to see him fight the darkness inside, the part of him that wants to keep not believing. But he can't fight it, he is a good person inside, and his family is the crew. Which is why, (even though his attitude kinda sucks), he tells them if they want to stay, than thats where they stay and thats why they go to Miranda. It leads to the possibility of character development. Though Joss says that Alan isn't done with the crew, and will prolly return in a sequel. I'm thinking as a flashback or something to that.
***BTW - Be careful of the spoilers which has been mentioned in other threads as of recent
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I didn't mind it being dark. That effect was cool considering they were fighing something dark. He gave credibility to the movie.
You can't fight reavers and an alliance operatives and have it all bright and shiny.
I also don't expect everyone to be happy. They are in real trouble I would expect the movie to reflect that.
I think it is safe to say. That it was not firefly if it had been. It really would have crashed at the theatre.
"They tell you 'never hit a man with a closed fist,' but it is, on occasion, hilarious."
- Capt. Malcolm Reynolds
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I understood the death of Book.
That flowed with the story very well. It made sence to me and I accepted it.
The death of Wash was not so easy to understand or accept. in this case you are right it did seem very Romanesque in the frame work you stated blood for blood sake.
"They tell you 'never hit a man with a closed fist,' but it is, on occasion, hilarious."
- Capt. Malcolm Reynolds
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