What are your thoughts on god? Part 3

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MISBEHAVEN

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:12 PM

I do not believe in any god, and it would seem to me that anyone who uses logic and reason to look at the question would not either. For far too many years, mankind has used god, gods, goddesses, religion etc. in a way that is detrimental to humanity. If I could remove one thing from this world it would be religion. Think of all the immeasurable suffering that has occurred in the name of any god. The Inquisiton, the crusades, wars of agression, Salem witch trials, human sacrifice and so on. And throughout it all not one of these gods ever manifesteded itself to its followers. If humanity put forth as much time, energy, and finances as it does towards religion to eradicating poverty, hunger, and war to name a few things, the world would be a much better place.

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:39 PM

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Originally posted by misbehaven:
I do not believe in any god, and it would seem to me that anyone who uses logic and reason to look at the question would not either. For far too many years, mankind has used god, gods, goddesses, religion etc. in a way that is detrimental to humanity. If I could remove one thing from this world it would be religion. Think of all the immeasurable suffering that has occurred in the name of any god. The Inquisiton, the crusades, wars of agression, Salem witch trials, human sacrifice and so on. And throughout it all not one of these gods ever manifesteded itself to its followers. If humanity put forth as much time, energy, and finances as it does towards religion to eradicating poverty, hunger, and war to name a few things, the world would be a much better place.

I think you're exactly right about religion. But to be fair, you can't really attribute all the stuff humanity does in the name of God to God. This is just humanity using God as a reason to go commit atrocities. If it wasn't religion they used for a reason, the sad fact of the matter is they would find something else. I mean, people could easily say, "Well, there is no God, so that means I could kill all these people and it really won't matter." I would eat my hat if humanity could ever solve all its problems, religion or no religion.

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MISBEHAVEN

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:54 PM

I agree with you about humanity using religion as an excuse; however, I never intended to suggest that these things wouldn't occur if religion didn't exist. Nevertheless, I can't help but think that we'd all be better off without it. After all, it's not like you need commandments, precepts or laws to tell you that murder, stealing, lying, etc. are wrong.

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by misbehaven:
I agree with you about humanity using religion as an excuse; however, I never intended to suggest that these things wouldn't occur if religion didn't exist. Nevertheless, I can't help but think that we'd all be better off without it. After all, it's not like you need commandments, precepts or laws to tell you that murder, stealing, lying, etc. are wrong.

Yeah, that's true, but I think some people need the fear. I think they need the fear that God will punish them if they do these things in order to keep from doing them. That's one of the problems with the justice system nowadays. No one's afraid of the consequences anymore and so a lot more crimes are being committed.

Anyway, I personally have nothing to do with religions for the exact reasons that you said.

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MISBEHAVEN

Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:24 AM

Apparently many people do need to be afraid of being punished in order to do the right thing, but it still mystifies me that many people that I know to be otherwise intelligent human beings can actually believe that there's some omniscient being out there keeping track of everything they do.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, January 20, 2006 1:21 PM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Sorry to be bit of a bore, but what exactly is the purpose of this thread? I'm not in any way offended by this topic, I'm just curious.

Didnt you have a part 1 and 2 of this topic?

Well the purpose is just to continue, conversation hasn't died down (or maybe it has I'm three days behind right now) and it was getting too long for some people with dial-up connections.

It is a food-for-thought thread and also getting information, that information being what others think.

J6NGO1977

Friday, January 20, 2006 1:22 PM

Who? :D

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, January 20, 2006 1:45 PM

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Originally posted by j6ngo1977:
Who? :D

He's this guy, well more of an androgynous fellow really, goes by a lot of names. Round here they call him God, but I've heard he's also known as Jehovah, YHVH, Allah, Brahmin, Ahura Mazda, Aten, and some other things, hell some call him by many names: Nyx, Zeus, Amen, Aten, Ra, Iuppiter, Hecate and Hera just to name a few. I’ve even heard talk of Tetraktys.

Of course he’s just this guy, you know.

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Ok so that really has nothing to do with anything, but such is ... something.

JONUS

Friday, January 20, 2006 2:42 PM

I do believe in God and I do accept Jesus. I don't call myself a Christian. Religions divide people, just like politics. I am simply a believer or a follower. I am not religious or spiritual. I just try to obey God's commandments and do the right thing.

I think people who say God isn't perfect or people that blame all the bad things on God are weak. In the beginning everything was perfect. Our knowledge of sin and our free-will are the causes of all bad things that happen. People are responsible for everything bad in this world. God doesn't want to hurt us. We do a pretty good job of hurting ourselves.

I don't understand something about people who don't believe in God. You must believe in God, you just deny it. Otherwise you would have killed yourself by now. If you don't believe in anything then why do you go on living?

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JUMPY

Friday, January 20, 2006 3:04 PM

Uhhh, I'm not going to go into how I feel about God but I just wanted to point out about the last post:

Jonus, just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you can't enjoy your life. As some people believe, "if" this is all there is, I think it makes sense that people would want to live it out. There are a lot of wonderful things in this world and people want to experience them. They take them for what they are, not what they might mean.

Maybe its like eating or drinking things we like, take a really wonderful pasta as an example. You know the pasta has a nice flavour, you also know if you eat it eventually it'll be gone. So do you not eat it at all or do you enjoy it anyway? Different people would choose a different course of action, just like one person might kill themselves because they think life is meaningless, and another would enjoy it while they have it.

Hope that makes sense lol.

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