River. Answers!!!

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THESOAPBOXER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:17 AM

Wouldn't it be "Copper and a kiss" then?

But, yeah, it probably was some sort of premonition on River's part, just not a very well communicated one. Even River seemed to be confused as to why she just said that.

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THEONETRUEBIX

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:20 AM

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Those weren’t flashbacks as much as dream sequences.

Well, the first one was probably a dream-memory of an actual classroom conversation she had when she was in GenEd, prior to going to the Alliance academy (except for the stylus to the head). It's the one classroom sequence that isn't presented in the blown-out-haze used to designate the dreams she has later on.

STDOUBT

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:14 AM

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3) In Ariel River has a whole scene on talking about "Christmas, and Coal and Don't look in the closet it's greedy." I was just wondering does anyone know the meaning behind that? Cause stuff like that doesn't sound just like random giberish.

I've mused that while in custody, River realized
that Jayne had sold them out, and became serene
and almost forgiving of him. The Christmas speech
*may* allude to Jayne's own crushing childhood.
Always being taken from -having to scrap for everything he got. Makes a nice explanation for his
mercenary lifestyle. It's always struck me odd how
Jayne is so intent on having her "shut up, or I will
shut you up.." May be she's seeing right into him.
And it's wiggin' him out.

MRBEN

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:19 AM

"Copper for a kiss" I'm sure is a literary reference of some sort, but I'm blowed if I can remember where. In terms of etymology it's likely to be a phrase associated with prostitution, which maybe indicates how River feels about the whole deal. Plus you have the nice double meaning of the word 'copper' - money and policeman.

I always thought that the bit about Christmas in Ariel was River talking about Christmas in the Academy - hadn't thought about it being about Jayne.

mrben

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KIBBSTER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by thesoapboxer:
Wouldn't it be "Copper and a kiss" then?

But, yeah, it probably was some sort of premonition on River's part, just not a very well communicated one. Even River seemed to be confused as to why she just said that.

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Could you please just make it stranger? Just stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny? ~Joss Whedon

If she had a premonition about Jayne could "Copper for a kiss" be referring to Jayne selling them out with a Judas kiss?

He was pretending to protect them on Ariel when he sold them out.

So Copper for a kiss seems to be reasonable in this case.

DONCOAT

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:30 PM

Well, the only Google references for "copper for a kiss" are Firefly related.

My initial interpretation was that it's a variant on "Penny for your thoughts" -- that is, an expression that would be used in some social situation to indicate that you're interested in someone. Possibly a tradition like Christmas mistletoe?

If this is accurate, then I don't think it was directed at Jayne in particular. Maybe it's a remnant of a romantic dream River was having as she woke up.

But then she continues, "They're doing it backwards; walking up the downslide." This sounds like some random crazy talk. I don't see how it fits in with the situation, unless it's just an inside-out way of saying "there's something wrong here".

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MUIRGHEAL

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:45 PM

I could be way off here but I think the copper for a kiss thing is aluding to Judas betraying Jesus, taking a bag of money and then kissing Jesus before handing him over the Pilat's men.

That he had totally betrayed them and then tried to make it seem like he was trying to save them. Covering his own behind. In that episode he went from being real hateful to them to suddenly being all chummy and I think in her way she was hinting that she knew he had betrayed them.

Muirgheal
A Shiny Happy Person

KIBBSTER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:17 PM

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Originally posted by Muirgheal:
I could be way off here but I think the copper for a kiss thing is aluding to Judas betraying Jesus, taking a bag of money and then kissing Jesus before handing him over the Pilat's men.

That he had totally betrayed them and then tried to make it seem like he was trying to save them. Covering his own behind. In that episode he went from being real hateful to them to suddenly being all chummy and I think in her way she was hinting that she knew he had betrayed them.

Muirgheal
A Shiny Happy Person

That's what I meant, but you said it so much better than me!

USMC

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:54 PM

River is Hot!

PRINCESSROHANNEN

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:28 PM

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:

3) In Ariel River has a whole scene on talking about "Christmas, and Coal and Don't look in the closet it's greedy." I was just wondering does anyone know the meaning behind that? Cause stuff like that doesn't sound just like random giberish.

I always figured that particular bit of gibberish to be a metaphor for Jayne's disappointment. Christmas is the reward that Jayne was looking forward to for turning the two of them in. When the fed stabbed Jayne in the back, he took away Christmas.

I like to keep in mind when I listen to River talk that she's NUTS. I imagine that most of the time, she's trying to convey actual coherent ideas, but her brains are so scrambled that everything she wants to say gets jumbled on the way out. Plus, the voices in her head have got to be a little confusing. I don't think she can even tell the difference between dreaming and waking life.

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