River. Answers!!!

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25MYTURN25

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:34 AM

Okay I have a couple of questions regarding River. Only because I lover her character and her lines always seem to have meaning behind them, some of which I don't always catch, so that's why I am posting this.
1) In Serenity When Mal says to the Operative "I know the secret that burned up River Tam's brain" What does he mean. I know he is talking about the Reavers and Miranda, but what does that have to do with hurting River, and If she went to an academy on miranda how come she didn't either become Reaver like or lay down and die.
2) In Ariel when Jayne is looking into an open body holder thing River wakes up and says something, in the Subtittles it says inaudioble or something, does anyone know what she says or is she just mumbling.

Okay I know there is more but I really can't think right now, so if anyone has answers or theorys OR more questions please ask/answer. Thanks

peace. . . .for now

River: You belived her, Made a face.

CHOPPYBADGER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:40 AM

Gak! I think what 'burned up her brain' was that she was in a room with all the 'big wigs' of the alliance and absorbed every bad secret that they had been involved in. It seems the tests on Miranda was one of the more terrible secrets. River never was on Miranda. The debacle on Miranda took place 10 years ago, if I recall correctly, so I doubt River was there. The whole point why the Operative is seeking her out is because she knows, or is suspected of knowing every bad thing the Alliance did, and of course, sees it as quite damaging to the Alliance's iron grip on humanity. That is my thinking anyway.

Heresy grows from Grottiness...

STAKETHELURK

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:44 AM

1) Throughout the film it’s implied that one of the things making River crazy is the memory of Miranda she picked up off the Alliance leadership. The memory is sort of tangled up in her brain in a way that she doesn’t quite understand it, but its presence seems to be contributing to her lunacy. Hence, once the secret is out, she says “I’m okay.” She’s worked through it and its deleterious effect on her mental state has been remove. She’s still not quite right, though.

River never actually went to an Academy on Miranda. Those weren’t flashbacks as much as dream sequences. She knows what Miranda was like and in her disturbed state places herself there as she struggles to work through the horror locked up inside her brain. But she had never visited Miranda before, so there’s no continuity error.

EDIT: I see ChoppyBadger has beaten me to the punch. Well, I hope this post is still useful to you.

JAYSONAYCH

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:46 AM

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
Okay I have a couple of questions regarding River. Only because I lover her character and her lines always seem to have meaning behind them, some of which I don't always catch, so that's why I am posting this.
1) In Serenity When Mal says to the Operative "I know the secret that burned up River Tam's brain" What does he mean. I know he is talking about the Reavers and Miranda, but what does that have to do with hurting River, and If she went to an academy on miranda how come she didn't either become Reaver like or lay down and die.
2) In Ariel when Jayne is looking into an open body holder thing River wakes up and says something, in the Subtittles it says inaudioble or something, does anyone know what she says or is she just mumbling.

Okay I know there is more but I really can't think right now, so if anyone has answers or theorys OR more questions please ask/answer. Thanks

peace. . . .for now

River: You belived her, Made a face.

1) She was never on Miranda. She telepathically learned of what happened on Miranda elsewhere. At the beginning of the film, it was mentioned how she had been put into the same room as high ranking government officials who knew secrets...one of those secrets was what happened on Miranda. The events were highly traumatic for River to take and the knowledge of what happened were a big part of her becoming mentally unstable (though the experiments I'm sure also helped quite a bit). Ergo, knowing the secret "burned up her brain."

2) I'll have to check...I'm not sure...

RIVER6213

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:47 AM

River should find a time machine and take a trip back to the current-Earth-That-Is....she would go insane here.

25MYTURN25

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:52 AM

Okay thanks for all the answers on my first question It all seems so simple now lol, feel like an idiot I do.....lol anyways what about (2) and another one to add to the list

3) In Ariel River has a whole scene on talking about "Christmas, and Coal and Don't look in the closet it's greedy." I was just wondering does anyone know the meaning behind that? Cause stuff like that doesn't sound just like random giberish.

Trust me there will be more hahahahahaha

Mal: He'll kill you, kill every last one of them if it comes to that and he he'll sleep well that night.
Nandi: Rance Burgess is just a man, and I wont let any man take what's mine. I doubt you'de do differently in my position.
Mal: well lady. . .You're my kind of stupid

KATJEN

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:00 AM

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3) In Ariel River has a whole scene on talking about "Christmas, and Coal and Don't look in the closet it's greedy." I was just wondering does anyone know the meaning behind that? Cause stuff like that doesn't sound just like random giberish.

I assumed she was talking about Jayne being too greedy? He's definitely on the naughty kid list during that eppy up until the end...

THESOAPBOXER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:14 AM

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2) In Ariel when Jayne is looking into an open body holder thing River wakes up and says something, in the Subtittles it says inaudioble or something, does anyone know what she says or is she just mumbling.

She says, "Copper for a kiss?" Why? 'Cause River's crazy.

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CHOPPYBADGER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:51 AM

The word 'copper' is implying a penny. But that is beside the point, you are right, she is just craaaazy!!!

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JACQUI

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:06 AM

"Copper for a kiss?"

I always figured she was refering to Jayne's turning them in.

"Copper" being the money and "kiss" being the acclaim he thought he was going to get after he made the ship 'safe' again without the 'fugies' on board.

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