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Suspension of Disbelief

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:36 AM

The answer to your question about reentry is yes, the bones and maybe even some of the paint would have ablated away. I don’t believe there is any way to avoid this. You cannot slowly leave the earth and certainly can’t slowly reenter. My guess is that around several hundred miles an hour those bodies would have disintegrated and that is probably single digit percentages of the velocity you would need to escape gravity.

As for your other problems, I cannot help you.




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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:39 AM

True that PrincessRohannen.
The thesis i am reserving my punctuation for (though i still claim the title of iconoclast down with the sanctimonious grammophiles) is on the use of biodisel produced from crops: food crops from which oil can be expelled, non edible crops which can be grown on marginal land, from restaurant waste but-here's the icky bit-rendered animal fat. If tallow was good enough for candles and soap it's good enough for fuel. And yes once upon a time people used lard, which is a very good surfactant and emulsifier, to wash up with. Not too zestfully clean, n'est-ce pas?

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:54 AM

Quote:

You cannot slowly leave the earth and certainly can’t slowly reenter.


I´ve been thinking about this problem too...

Well. Maybe you are able to leave atmo without advancing to "burning" speed... but i´m not sure about this.

A Rocket-Engine at the Earth-Atmo is using its recoil to get speed and leave the Orbit. But Recoil can only be produced, if there is something to "push away from", like air. When leaving the Orbit, you are also leavin the Air... and your capability to advance forward.

A Rocket in Space gets Speed by losing Mass. Don´t ask me how exactly it works, but someone told me it would even work if a man at the back of the Ship will throw Crap off of the Shuttle.

So... while you are leaving atmo and entering Space, can you generate enough "Matter-loss" to keep your Piece of Metal from falling down to earth again? I´m not sure, but they MAY have to catapult themselves out of the Earth-Orbit to evade this effect.

Don´t Quote me, im not a Pro ;)

"Burn the land and boil the Sea, you can´t take the Sky from me..."

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:58 AM

Finn Mac Cumhal a quick question regarding your quote what does it mean? It takes quite a man to speak the unspoken language of Latin. Unfortunately i only speak those poor living languages of Spanish, French and of course English so i have ever so roughly translated your quote as Qui He or whom, desiderat desires. peace pacem, prepares praeparet, for war bellum. War is guerra or guerre in F or Sp respectively but i can infer from the context clues as well as words like bellicose and belligirent that bellum is probably war. Is that it? If it is then yay for me, if not well gosh durn it i sure did try.
Qui

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:10 AM

On the topic of traveling between planets, to quote the Official Visual Companion to Serenity, "Every person willing and able to leave Earth migrated to the new system. An entire generation never even saw the outside of a spaceship, the journey took so long."

And when you think about it, you wouldn't really need that much space for fuel, just a course adjustment every couple of months when you're getting a little too friendly with the neighboring asteroids. The rest of the space would probably be filled with people and renewable resources. Very efficient renewable resources.

On a seperate note: maybe in a couple of thousands of FF 'verse years, we'll get Battlestar Galactica: A Different Group of People.

And if you have the Visual Companion, the chinese on the back says, and I quote a chinese friend of mine, "If you don't buy this book, your friends will call you a stupid inborn pile of meat." She then looked at me weirdly and I began her conversion. I'm done typing now.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:11 AM

In a crematorium operating at 1150°C(2100°F) the bones still need to be crushed and ground because they won't break down into ash even at that heat. The maximum temperatures experienced by the Space Shuttle are less than 1480°C(2700°F). It's possible that bones wouldn't be destroyed by re-entry (which is 'hotter' than exit).

If you enter the atmosphere at a lower velocity, and slow down more gradually with a smaller profile to the atmosphere the heating will be dramatically reduced. We can't do this today because all the fuel a space craft can carry is used to get it in to space, there's none left for breaking manoeuvres.

Though the tendons that hold the skeleton together would be burnt away, to that I say artistic license.

As for how they got there you’ve got to remember there’s quite pronounced time-dilation at relativistic speeds. You travel at close enough to the speed of light and you can travel millions of light years in a few weeks of subjective time.


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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:15 AM

hey there iwasafrycook, by the way iworkedthedrivethru
So like soylent green renewable resource?

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Haekeldrache:
A Rocket in Space gets Speed by losing Mass. Don´t ask me how exactly it works, but someone told me it would even work if a man at the back of the Ship will throw Crap off of the Shuttle.

Newton’s Third Law. The escaping exhaust in the rocket imparts an acceleration to the rocket in the opposite direction.




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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Haekeldrache
A Rocket in Space gets Speed by losing Mass. Don´t ask me how exactly it works, but someone told me it would even work if a man at the back of the Ship will throw Crap off of the Shuttle.


Newtons Third Law of motion:
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. As the exhaust from the rocket leaves the craft it pushes on the inside of the rocket 'bell' thus pushing the craft in the opposite direction of the exhaust gas.

It's not moving by losing mass, but ejecting mass is the only way we can currently produce foward push.

Edit:
Hi Finn, great minds huh



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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:18 AM

It means "Who would have peace must prepare for war". Cato the Elder, if memory serves.

Scis hoc legere, nimium eruditiones habes.

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