Last Hope

POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Friday, January 20, 2006 00:03
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DREAMTROVE

Monday, January 16, 2006 1:44 AM

I heard Mr. Russ Feingold officially tossed his hat into the '08 presidential race. I think Russ is a great guy, a genuine civil libertarian and pro-peace and prosperity kind of guy, anti-corruption and all around good. In short, I think he's the best thing the Democratic party has going for it. He is the only democrat to have consistantly voted against both Bush AND Clinton on the genocidal and liberty desrtroying policies and general corruption of both Administrations. He is also the only senator to have voted against the Patriot Act.

My fear is that the Hillary machine will thrash him seriously by adding stategic fakes to the race to split the left-libertarian vote. The only solution to this is to organize. I've been thinking about this.

Last election I briefly crossed ranks to back the Dean campaign, and in so doing I not only failed, but I was appalled by Dean, and more appalled by the Democratic Party, which is probably where my fresh cup of venom came from. Anyway, I'm hesitant to do it again.

The John Buchanan candidacy for the GOP nomination was a disaster because the party under pro-Bush leadership were completely uninterested in actually having a primary. This time around there may be a good GOP candidate to work with. Chuck Hagel's name is still in the ring, and he's solidly anti-war and civil libertarian.

Anyway, so here's the olive branch. Apologies first for any rotten tomatoes I've thrown your way in the past, but is there any chance we can work together on this? I feel that if the left and right libertarian set could pool their resources, not their votes, but their actual talents and abilities, that we could create a resistance to "Team Evil" or whatever you want to call this Bush/Clinton monstrocity.

Questions? Comments?

RUE

Monday, January 16, 2006 2:17 AM

I just hope he doesn't travel by small plane.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

SIGNYM

Monday, January 16, 2006 3:22 AM

Yeah, he might take a nose-dive like Wellstone.

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Please don't think they give a shit.

DREAMTROVE

Monday, January 16, 2006 4:00 AM

Too true. A new republican just announced he was running on a platform of "saving new york" from wind power. That would be the wind power started by the current republican governor. This guy is the head of paychex.com and is a neocon knee deep in oil. Argh. Anyway, I thought, putting our heads together we could help one another get more reasonable candidates to be nominated by our perspective parties. Not an aisle-crossing operation, just a conspiracy to gang up on the big spending corporatist hawks who are pretty much bent on invading iran, tapping phone calls and leveling the environment for fun and profit.

While I'm at it, I'm mildly curious, does anyone on the left think "hey that russ would make a fine president" or are y'all over there saying "oh i wish this guy would shut up" and "can't wait until hillary is in there."?

SIGNYM

Monday, January 16, 2006 5:53 AM

I like Russ, I think he'd make a good President. But if it looks like his campaign is going anywhere he won't survive.

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GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, January 16, 2006 5:59 AM

or Aleksandr Lebed in Russia

funny how that remains a constant no matter where you go...

go up against the @#*@#$... and you best watch your back

Don't think they give a shit

I'm with Signy and Rue

DREAMTROVE

Monday, January 16, 2006 1:42 PM

I'm not *that* cynical, but just in case, here's te start of a plan:

It's possible to win without ever *looking* like your campaign is going anywhere. It's been done several times, like with GWB, and Reagan.

SIGNYM

Monday, January 16, 2006 5:51 PM

Yes, but I think Raegan and GWB were both "stealth" candidates of the Team Evil. Both are/were notoriously simple-minded and easily manipulated and were thus the perfect sock puppets for their masters. In other words, the powers behind the scenes pulled some strings, made some threats, bribed a few. Remember Ross Perot and how the CIA ruined his daughter's wedding? Frankly, I think it happened, but his outrage made him look like an unhinged looney-tune. Team Evil is more ruthless than you would imagine.

But, since you've piqued my curiosity- how WOULD you slip Feingold into the winner's circle? The only way I can see it is to make every other alternative look unacceptable. So, your plan is.... ????

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DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:50 AM

Actually, I have a healthy imagination, but an overactive one would cause one to see things as they aren't. One problem with conspiracy theories is they tend to think in black and white. Really things are rarely so cut and dried.

Reagan was team evil pawn, but not nearly as much. The strength of Team Evil has grown with time. They supported Reagan against GHWB in '80 and won, but the GOP wouldn't take it lying down. They were ready to throw out the results, and there was a big fight. See, most of Reagan's advisors had been democrats in the '76 cycle, and almost all of his neocons had been democrats in the '72 cycle. There was ample distrust which was added to by the fact that a fair number of them were former socialists and former communists. Eventually a compromise was reached whereby Reagan would accept GHWB as VP and would agree to appoint a list of people who were all known to be trusted republicans. This meant that the Reagan admin was a neocon-gop hybrid, and thus not capable of much in the way of global social revolution.

They actually pushed their grip on GHWB as president, even though he was their former enemy. Things were never great and they pushed their evil democratic twin (which I stole the name neolib for) for Clinton. Neocon influence in the Clinton admin was stronger than it was in either Reagan or GHWB, to say nothing of Neolib influence.

When Clinton wouldn't obey them at every turn, they went back to the GOP for GWB, a total pawn with no actual power of his own. Bush can't withdraw a nomination of a neocon to save his own political face or career or probably life. Thus he has no power. His own corporate friends hold him upsidedown to shake out billions in lunch money, and he neocon friends beat him up for fun to make sure that *they* can stay in power under Hillary.

My plan for Feingold involves organizing.

You would have to assemble an organization of 10 million well distributed voters. It would help to have a stronger majority towards the end of the primary season, and a strong number of those to be write in ballots. This way, only late in the season do they realize that fighting off Feingold is a serious issue. Since you get all of your people on board in '07, you already know you have them. But the key is not letting Hillary know that you have them.

I watched the Kerry people do this while I was in the Dean campaign, and I was disturbed. I think looked back in history to see if I could see it happening before. It happened in '80 with Reagan, in '92 with Clinton, and in '00 with GWB. Each time, a candidate with no real popular support came out of the blue with a large organization which edged out the other candidates, and then came into office with a radical preset agenda.

GHWB almost lost his own primary, which says to me that neocons were still worries about him, and they may have backed Dole, who I suspect of having at least tenuous team evil connections.

Anyway, this is the new paradigm. Organize, don't advertise. Advertising is an iffy losable battle, but if I have my troops all well lined up, you're not going to get any deserters from my ranks.

Also, when possible, strike at the heart. Dig into hard core territory, people that the enemy (Hillary) would be looking to woo, ie. hard core democrats. Also strike at her weakpoints within that, the Peace vote, libertarians, possibly minorities. Blacks are far more suspicious of their govt. than whites. A fact that can probably be politically exploited, particularly if you can get the support of Mr. Sharpton. Not the mainstream media type support, the Mr. Feingold comes to an all black area and speaks about issues that matter to people of color and is introduced by Al Sharpton sort of support.

Organize online, forums, blogs, and know how many people you have. Know how to get more. keep a lot of issues on the table and keep people talking about them. Know how many are in each state, in each district. Know which districts are caucus districts. Find out if a district is a dinner table caucus, and if it can be broken into.

FLETCH2

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:15 AM

Ok time to put up or shut up DT.

Who are these former "socialist" neocons. Names, creditable sources for past affiliations only please.

You can do that in a heartbeat right? You said you'd researched it?

Go to it my man!

Strausians are starting to seriously worry me, but so far I can't see any suggestion that they ever were left leaning.

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