Politics aboard the Galactica (NOT the one with Muffet!)*spoilers up to 2.10*
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 03:03
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Quote:I'm right there with you, Chris.
Chrisisall, holdin' his breath untill the next DVD set is out!
Unless I get this fraking time machine working...
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All I can say is if the writers are flying by the seat of their pants, keep flying! I love this show.
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For me it's a big thing. There are a number of other things that piss me off. Could be that I'm a nit picker but here's a couple that REALLY get to me.
1) The chief decides to build a new Viper from bits and pieces just lying around. I understand that it's principly for recreation because something cobbled together from old engines and bits and pieces just isn't going to have the performance of a professionally designed military aircraft. However, when Helo suggests they give it a black plastic skin it turns out to be stealthy (note, was not designed to be stealthy, that's a last minute design accident.) This happens JUST before they happen to need a stealth spacecraft (lucky) and the moment they no longer need a stealth spacecraft it's destroyed.
2) Humanoid Cylons are so perfect a copy of a human being that you cant detect them with Colonial medical technology. However later it appears that Boomer has a set of optical transceiver hookups in her wrists. Cylons have some kind of transmiter to beam their consciousness away when they die. Yet this transmitter and it's power source are undetectable. Humanoid Cylons are far stronger than human beings, yet you cant see any physiologic or structural changes to support this.
It vexes me
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Well if it really bothers you I would suggest not watching the show. Hey, it's suppose to be entertaining and if it isn't working for you, try to find something that is.
Remember, this is a make beleive world. It's science fiction.
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Quote:The cells in her blood were transferring ' bio-data' through genetic information; the optical leads in the wires are what you saw working, and they are capable of reading this data off Cylon cells by the design for emergency use...
Originally posted by Fletch2:
2) Humanoid Cylons are so perfect a copy of a human being that you cant detect them with Colonial medical technology. However later it appears that Boomer has a set of optical transceiver hookups in her wrists.
*Aghhh, the PAIN*
Fletch, you're damaging my suspension of disbelief...
Chrisisall, also stronger than average humans, wanna test me?
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Dietcoke, I don't tell you what you should watch I would be obliged if you did me the same curtousy.
Chris, it bugs me is all. The head writer, Ron Moore set himself up by spouting rubbish about "reinventing the genre" in the runup to the show. B5 when it came on rewrote the rules, Farscape and Firefly did some great stuff without claiming to be most brilliant thing on TV. If you open your mouth and say you are going to innovate then show me the innovation, so far I see a camera and effects style borrowed from Firefly and a lax regard for storytelling taken from the worse of Trek. Is it entertaining, yes but so was the X-Files before the conspiracy stuff became rediculous.
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Fletch, I guess entertaining is all I ask these days. Your criticisms are legitimate and understandable, no matter how I fanboy it.
Not everything can be as original and well-written as Farscape, Firefly, or DARK ANGEL, I suppose.
Worked Max in somewhere again Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Your assessment is spot on, I'll have to say.
Originally posted by StakeTheLurk:
By the time he’s recovered, Adama realizes it’s insane to break up the fleet over this—he extends his manufactured family outwards to encompass not just the Galactica, but everybody.
But as to Zarrek's idea of re-instating a capitalist system- I think it has merrits, but would work better planetside, they ARE still under emergency conditions in space, and I think they should all support eachother as best they can for now, despite the the socialist 'feel' of it.
Not Mandatory Chrisisall
To add to your ideas here, the Galactica was short pilots, so they started a flight school...
to extent that idea, they are going to need Marines, damage control techs, officers and dozens of other trained positions simply to maintain operations...
plus you need the same for ALL the other ships
plus, how many doctors do they have in these >50,000, note when Adama was shot a medic had to perform surgery for the fact she was the only one around with any clue...
While things are still up in the air, the need to organize, start putting those 50,000 people to work ensuring their own survival needs to be done, as I am sure it is to some extent ( no storylines going there yet )
Capitalism simply can't work here, you need everyone to pull their weight ( hopefully in the same direction ) currency, to be reinstated down the road... you have to put people either to work, or training to fill a position NOW, not after the bids have gone out.
And if you have people who can't do anything, then
why ?
I could likely find something for anyone
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I suppose having them fail around passes for good drama.
I think that may be part of my frustration, I keep having the impulse to bitch slap some sense into these people. If everyone was ineffectual but the plot points were valid I could maybe shrug them off, but the combination of half assed plotting and dumb ass characters just annoys me. I haven't watched it since it came back (though other folks have told me the plots to date) I'm still so so about picking it up again.
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Originally posted by StakeTheLurk:
You need a basic plan, but you also need the flexibility to change the plan as the situation requires.
I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.
- Dwight Eisenhower
Yeah, I take your point. So did Ike. I will say that BSG has been stretching my suspension of disbelief a bit in the new season. I am a fan of what's usually called "hard" science fiction... i.e., the science needs to make sense and be internally consistent. BSG is telling good stories, but it doesn't seem to be spending as much effort with internal consistency. Examples:
1) Galactica survives the Cylon attack on the colonies because she is obsolete and doesn't have any of the new software/firmware with the backdoors that the Cylon infiltrators snuck into the new systems. Hence Galactica and her fighters stayed active when the Cylons could shut every other ship in the fleet down. So, how exactly did the Pegasus survive? How does it remain an effective warfighter when it engages the Cylons? In my "fanboy" persona, I can spin a story for them to explain it. Why don't they care enough to even TRY to spin a story for me? Or did I miss some explanation that they offered when they introduced the Pegasus? Possible...
2) The stealth fighter is so stealthy that Apollo loses sight of it on its maiden flight. It can fly right through the Cylon formation without detection. Yet it jumps back into the middle of a prickly situation between Galactica and Pegasus and suddenly everybody is distracted by the presence of the unidentified bogey... wasn't it undetectable? Again, I can spin an explanation for them... why are they making that my job, though?
So, I'll say again... I have been entertained by the characters and the storylines. I'm still thoroughly entertained enough by them to watch. But they are getting careless with the logic behind their 'verse. They could easily end up Star Trekking themselves to the point where nothing is logical... everything is resolved by deus ex machina.
That said... I'm still watching.
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