Evolution Sucks!

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SIGNYM

Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:32 PM

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If there's no God, who's to say what's evil and what's good? If there's no God, there are no moral absolutes, and the majority of people (or whomever the person is with the biggest stick) decides what is right and wrong, and what is considered horribly "evil" today, could just as easily be considered magnificently "good" tomorrow. I've seen what is "morally acceptable" change just in my short lifetime. Without God, morals cannot even be consistent, much less absolute.

I'm sure many priests justified their morals this way. "Why, if we hold back on our sacrifices/ prayers/ wars for Illapa/ Moloch/ Chac/ Tlaloc/ Yhwh/ Allah/ (god's name here) who knows what will happen? We can't let human judgement interfere with our measure of right and wrong or society will fall apart!"

The point that I'm trying to make is that the biggest driver of evil is not atheism but the MORAL CERTAINTY of religion. ALL religions claim moral certainty, and belief was used to justify everything from sacrificing babies to killing Muslims during the Crusades to 9-11. And because religions are belief systems (cannot be proven) there is absolutely no way to prove that one is right and the others are wrong. I could claim that a six foot white rabbit named Harvey is telling me to sacrifice chickens in my backyard and that is no different from Robertson saying that Sharon suffered a stroke as punishment from god, or prayer warriors storming heaven with pleas to cure a child... or the fanatics of 9-11 killing 3000 people. We all deeply believe we're doing the "right thing".

The fact is that morals have shifted throughout the ages, and the gods have shifted with them to represent the power structure. In fractured tribal societies (like ancient Greece) the gods squabble like sibling rivals, as kingdoms centralize (ancient Egypt) a single god becomes supreme. In ancient civilizations where women had considerable power, the gods are female, and in societies where the power shifted to patriarchy the religion reflects that transition (ancient Sumer: Apsu and Tiamat). Today, we have a strong adherence to the worth of "the individual" and thus we have a religion that values a personal relationship with god.

The only way to create ethics is to take responsibility for them.

NOAHINHISCUPS

Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:08 PM

Evolution in western religion:

Zoroastrianism/Mazdaism circa 18th century ios the world's first monotheistic religion, based on the words of prophet Zoroaster, or Zarathustra, and becomes the first philosophy that would later provide the backbone of Judeo-Christian philosophy and the way of the Eastern Bodhi-Dharma.

Judaism, the basis of Christianity, Samaritanism, and arguably most of Islamic thought, arrives circa 4000 BC. The religion focuses on a single omnipotent creator and emphasises a lifestyle of scholarship, and adherence to dogmatic principles that remain largely unchanged in the modern forms of religious practice.

Christianity forms with the arrival of what is purported to be the savior of mankind, and "Christ's teachings" are recorded, by intermediaries in the new testament of the Bible, often referred to as the gospel. The living words of Christ are suspiciously missing from the text, because it was written, not by eye-witnesses, but by scholars. Oh, and not to mention the fact that Christian experts can't even agree as to the language it was originally printed in.

"I hope your mind is free enough to take a step back from scientific dogma and R-E-A-L-L-Y consider the evolution questions posed here."

What you really mean I think, is "I hope your mind is simple enough to discard hundreds of years of study based on testable theories, and have enough faith to believe in another system of dogmatic ideals based on a series of superstitions and ancient folklore, based on the existence of a savior who is more of a literary figure than a real person, all taken from a book, that was (to quote the most poignant comedian on earth) WRITTEN 2000 YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE WERE EVEN DUMBER THAN WE ARE NOW.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:44 PM

Don't forget that the Pope, head of what many (I am not a member of that many) consider to be the very symbol of Christian ignorance and stubborn refusal to accept science, has already said Evolution is true. Actually the Catholics did that last Pope, I have not heard much from the current guy.

An attack on Christianity is hardly a way to support Evolution, an attack on any religion isn't the way to support evolution.

The way to support evolution is with science, not character attacks, no matter how much we may feel they are warranted.

CARTOON

Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:21 PM

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With God morals aren't consistent. They're seldom good either.

God's morals are consistent. Those who follow Him (and/or profess to follow Him) are not.

Anyone can take any passage out of context and get it say just about anything they want it to.
Without going into an entire study of hermeneutics, one has to read the Scripture as a whole, and not snip and chose parts out of it.

While most believers believe that it's all inspired and true, obviously, didactic passages carry more weight than historical narrative, when it comes to what we should and should not do. For example, the multitude of passages where God personally (and very unambiguously) prohibits adultery carrys more weight in determining that adultery is a sin, than a passage from historical narrative (eg. Chronicles, Kings, Samuel, Genesis, etc.) about a biblical character who committed adultery.

And for those who may claim that Jesus changed the laws of the OT, Jesus, Himself clearly stated that He did not come to change the tiniest portion of the Law (in most cases, He had to clarify it after it had been misused by the leaders of the Temple who had bastardized it).

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Under god and in gods name we've had some of the worst atrocities the Human race has ever seen. Morals still changed to; otherwise the pope would still be calling for crusades and Inquisitions.

Again, please don't judge the perfect Creator by the sinners who follow Him (or claim to). Jesus said many will come to Him in the last day and say how they served Him, and He will say He never knew them. Elsewhere: You will know them by their fruits. From such passages, I would assume that apparently not everyone who calls themself a believer may indeed be one.

RUE

Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:15 PM

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God's morals are consistent. Those who follow Him (and/or profess to follow Him) are not.

Which god? There are so many.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

RUE

Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:25 PM

I'm sure there were believers through time and around the globe who followed the rules as best they could, and in need prayed desperately to heal a sick child, or to not be killed in battle, or for good weather.

They could have been praying to Aries or Ra or Mithra or any number of gods modern people dismiss as ridiculous. You see those gods as markers of ignorance and superstition.

But their religion was just as real to them as yours is to you.

Don't you get just a little uneasy thinking of all that faith and belief, sincerity and effort that blew away in the dust?

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

CITIZEN

Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by Cartoon:
God's morals are consistent. Those who follow Him (and/or profess to follow Him) are not.

Then I'm not really sure what your point is. Whether we follow Gods rules or we make our own the end result is the same, they still change down here just as much.

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Again, please don't judge the perfect Creator by the sinners who follow Him (or claim to). Jesus said many will come to Him in the last day and say how they served Him, and He will say He never knew them. Elsewhere: You will know them by their fruits. From such passages, I would assume that apparently not everyone who calls themself a believer may indeed be one.

Killing of the first born

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And yeah, I think it's safe to say that not everyone who says they are religious actually follow that religion or understand what it has to say.
But couldn't this passage also say you have to be a Christian to be saved?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:04 PM

Amerikans have evolved into... what?

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citizen said:
Killing of the first born

We have 50-million aborticides, since genocide was relegalized by US Supreme Court in 1973.

We have medical doctors genociding 2.5-million Amerikans every year, including 1-million adults, in medical Death Camps, without fear of arrest.

We have a US govt, in collusion with state and local govts, that bombed NY City, Washington DC and New Orleans, without fear of arrest.

We have fed, state and local govts that loot $70-trillion/year from govt "pension funds" (CAFR), without fear of arrest.

We have fed, state and local govts that export millions of jobs and imported 30-million criminal aliens, so far, without fear of arrest.

We rank almost last among Western nations for education and infant mortality.

We have Amerikan sheeple who watch TeeVee, spectator sports, drink alcohol, do CIA drugs, who worship govt, with fear of arrest for everything they do, since everything has been "criminalized".

We have US presidents and other dictators performing "mock" human sacrifice to a 50-foot-tall idol of Molech/Baal/Satan/Lucifer, running around nekked in the woods and holding each others weewees while they pee on the redwoods, and plot world domination, at Bohemian Grove in Monte Rio, California, every Summer Solstice, without fear of arrest.

Undercover videos from inside Bohemian Grove:
www.piratenews.org/video-archive.html

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"And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD."
-Leviticus 18:21

"Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people."
-Leviticus 20:2-5

"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the 19th Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
-General Albert Pike, Soverign Grand Commander "Jewish" "pope" of Masonic Mafia, "Morals and Dogma - Scottish Rite of Freemasonry" Masonic bible, page 321 (most politicians, "Christian" preachers and "Jewish" rabbis are members of the Masonic Mafia)

"All religions have issued from Kabalah: everything scientific and grand in the dreams of the illuminati is borrowed from Kabalah; all the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and Symbols. The Kabalah alone consecrates the alliance of the Universal Reason and the Devine Word."
-General Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma" page 744

The NIV perverts Jesus Christ into Lucifer! Isaiah 14:14 reveals Satan's grandest desire, "I will be like the most High." And with a little subtil perversion - the NIV in Isaiah 14:12 grants Satan's wish! ISAIAH 14:12: The KJB reads, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning!. . ." The NIV PERversion reads, "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, son of the dawn. . ." The NIV change "Lucifer" to "MORNING STAR". BUT WAIT. . . I thought the Lord Jesus Christ was the MORNING STAR?
www.av1611.org/niv.html

"It is not the strongest of the species that survives,nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the

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