Evolution Sucks!
POSTED BY: dougp59
UPDATED: Monday, July 27, 2026 16:36
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Doug, I would never waste my time to check out your silly little website. Evolution has made us what we are today. It only sucks for those who have become extinct, I would guess. But to deny evolution is to deny the Earth goes around the Sun.
Sorry I missed this thread when wasn't so absurdly large like it is now. Seems pretty pointless now.
Oh well, perhaps in another thread.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Did anyone notice that Darwin believed in God? Darwin studied to be a preacher, and even on his sea voyage to discover evolution, he quoted his Christian Bible, in regards to morality (not Creation dateline). That's the point, is it not?
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"If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our SIN."
-Charles Darwain
Do religious fanatics really believe that God is such a wimp that he cannot work with time? Why can't God use time like any other tool? Why can humans use time but God can't? Is it not possible for God to live forever?
All scientists and textbooks agree, that all protons, neutrons and electrons have been in existance since the Big Bang, about 15-billion years ago, including all the atoms in your body. Before that, they were subatomic parts, for who knows how long. These atoms in our bodies will last "forever". How is that different than eternal life in the religious sense?
DNA passes from generation to generation, morphing just a little each time. How is that different than reincarnated "eternal" life in the religious sense?
It seems to me somebody has been yanking our chains to divide and conquer. Could it be... the JEWS?! To be more specific, the Satanic/Luciferian Masonic Mafia Communist "atheist" sociopathic gangsta Khazar AshkeNazi Caballistic "Jews" who intend to ram their Luciferian one-world-religion down all our throats by the year 2025. So get ready to perform child sacrifice to Molech at Bohemian Grove Hell and in Jerusalem, just like our presidents and world dictators do.
Or, get over this dead argument and realize we all agree on the same thing, that time is eternal, regardless of God-induced evolution or god-less evolution. Period. Let's fight the Luciferians, instead, before they kill us all.
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"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world. It is not the strongest of the species that survives,nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”
-Charles Darwin
PS - Most of the so-called "Christian" preachers selling anti-evolution are members of the Masonic Mafia that worships Lucifer... And most of the senior scientists selling evolution are members of the Masonic Mafia that worships Lucifer... Hmmm... Do you see a pattern here?
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Dialectical Materialism.
A philosophy founded by (Masonic Luciferian "Jew") Karl Marx which forms the basis of Communist doctrine: it combines the materialistic idea of matter over mind with the Hegelian dialectic in which opposing forces are constantly being reunited at a higher level.
-Lexicon Webster Dictionary
What is communism?
The Dialectic: Fomenting the Revolution
The concept of the dialectic has been around for a long time. It is simply that of opposite positions: Thesis (position) vs. Antithesis (opposite position). In traditional logic, if my thesis was true, then all other positions were by definition untrue. For example, if my thesis is 2 + 2 = 4, then all other answers (antithesis) are false. Georg W.F. Hegel, the nineteenth century German philosopher, turned that concept upside down by equalizing Thesis and Antithesis. All things are now relative. There is no such thing as absolute truth to be found anywhere. Instead, “truth” is found in Synthesis, a compromise of Thesis and Antithesis. This is the heart and soul of the consensus process.
This is diametrically opposed to the Judeo-Christian world-view prevalent in the Western world for the better part of two millennia that held that God existed, that He existed outside of the material creation and that man had a moral obligation to Him and His laws. God was transcendent and thus truth was absolute and transcendent, outside of our ability to manipulate it. This all changed with Hegel and modern man was born. Man could now challenge any authority and position, even God.NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry I missed this thread when wasn't so absurdly large like it is now. Seems pretty pointless now.
It has moved onto other things, not totally sure what those things are, but it has been quite interesting.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Minime:
Welcome to fireflyfans.net...
Thanks, Citizen - I've been around for awhile, actually; but dropped off the face of the earth (well, the parts of the earth with internet access) in about April, so been mostly lurking since then... and before that I was fairly new to the online community thing... but the fans here have been amazing. (As, for example, your good self.)
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Originally posted by Arawaen:
I was under the impression that 1+1=2 has never been successfully proven.
I used to get my 11th grade math teacher so mad at me.
Q: If you have one pile of sand, and dump another pile of sand on top of that first pile of sand, how many piles of sand do you have?
A: One pile of sand.
Conclusion: 1 + 1 = 1
Okay, I'm being facetious about this. But, I agree with Doug about evoltion. And while I freely admit that I'm a believer in God, I found evolution to be just as unprovable before I became a believer, as I do now.
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Originally posted by Spinland:
There's plenty of punishment for evil, and it's adjudged and meted out by people, for people, against people. Your silly little made-up god didn't stop Hitler, the combined military might of several countries did.
If there's no God, who's to say what's evil and what's good?
If there's no God, there are no moral absolutes, and the majority of people (or whomever the person is with the biggest stick) decides what is right and wrong, and what is considered horribly "evil" today, could just as easily be considered magnificently "good" tomorrow.
I've seen what is "morally acceptable" change just in my short lifetime. Without God, morals cannot even be consistent, much less absolute.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
And what of you? You strike me as a Christian, as you might have noticed, so I've just picked up a copy of the bible. Tell me, are you loving your enemies? Can one of your enemies, say a Samaritan for those were the enemies of Jesus' people in the time of your Christ, be good? (CLIP)
Your point is well taken, Christhecynic. Being a "Christian" (as Christ describes those who follow Him) doesn't mean a person is perfect. Far from it. We believers in the Lord are sinful, and still struggle with our fallen sinful nature -- and will, for the rest of this life. Sometimes, through His grace, we will momentarily win over it. Most of the times, unfortunately, we rely in our own strengths and fail, and in the process blaspheme our Master.
Please, don't judge our God by we who follow Him. We are broken vessels who need His forgiveness just like everyone else.
Regarding if Stalin repented -- yes, according to the Lord, he would've been forgiven. In our eyes, that may not seem fair. But, we have to realize that we are not God. In God's eyes, we've all sinned, and all deserve punishment. We cannot please God in our strength, or by our own merits.
I once heard it put like this. Let's assume the requirement for life is to jump the ocean. Now, there are undoubtedly some very athletic folks who could jump several meters. Others much less. Some wouldn't be able to jump at all. Many would laugh at the whole concept of jumping the ocean and not even try.
Okay. So who has met the requirement? Has the person who jumped the furthest (but still fell several thousand miles short of the goal) achieved the requirement?
No. Everyone failed.
God's requirement was sinless obedience. We've all failed. But, the Lord came and fully met the requirement, and has graciously offered to take any who would, with Him.
Now, we can try to jump the ocean the best we can. Or we can laugh at the people who are trying to jump the ocean. Or we say that the ocean doesn't even exist, and therefore needn't be jumped. Or we can take the ride on the back of the One who did jump it.
In God's eyes, Salin was a sinner. So am I.
We both equally need His forgiveness.
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Originally posted by cartoon:
Your point is well taken, Christhecynic. Being a "Christian" (as Christ describes those who follow Him) doesn't mean a person is perfect.
This I know.
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Please, don't judge our God by we who follow Him.
Don't worry, it isn't my place to judge God. Not my place to judge people either but I'm hardly perfect (which is, more or less, the point.)
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In God's eyes, Salin was a sinner. So am I.
We both equally need His forgiveness.
I have to say, I like and respect you a lot more than DOUGP59, he has come across to me as a closed-minded semi-hateful individual, you have not. I have infinite respect for people of faith provided they show respect for others.
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My point actually was that Stalin would be forgiven, since Doug’s argument was that the punishment of those like him was a valid reason for belief, I was pointing out that Christianity does not advocate the human ideals of punishment because no one is unworthy of redemption.
Though I am not a Christian, at least not in most forms of the word, I do believe that is a very noble belief. More noble than I am, there are some I don't think I can forgive.
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Chris,
This is the problem with being old, my info is less online-y and all from a while ago, much came from professors, a lot from little articles in science news, or science magazines, journals. I'm sure someone has arranged a good attack site out there, saying some of this stuff. The distribution of matter problem is a big one that just about everyone who isn't a big banger brings up, ie. the makeup of the universe towards the edge is not any different from how it is close up. Everyone takes pretty much Quasars to be young galaxies, and galaxies otherwise to be judged in age by the pronouncement of the arm, but looking out into space we don't see a progression towards strong arms and quasars, but instead the universe seems to exhibit similar age properties all around. But again, I'm totally sick of arguing this. All this info is out there to be found by anyone interested in looking.
It's not 'what I believe,' that's not fair to me, it paints me like some radical theorist. It's what I suspect, based on the data. My general feeling is that the big bang *IS* a simple creation myth. If you leave it, you find out a great deal more, and eventually you come back to that there was a big bang, but it has little to do with what they say it is. The universe, or this portion of it, as a black hole must've started at some point. But it would've started slowly. The reason for rapid expansion is *NOT* that the data supports it, *OR* that the theory lends itself to it. Rapid expansion is a patch to try to cover for the matter distribution problem, but I still think it fails, because of the current expansion that would still be happening.
In short, I have no links for you, because I haven't studied cosmology in years. Back then, I think big bang was pretty much shown to fall way short of the actual data, and my rough guess would be that a detailed study now would reveal that the case has gotten worse. I'm sure it's out there and can be found by anyone reasonably interested in finding it. If I google it and furnish you with links that wouldn't be fair, because then everyone would hold me to those links as not supporting my argument or whatever, when actually my sources weren't links because prior to the early 90s sources didn't come in link form. I don't have time to do this subject justice right now.
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Originally posted by Cartoon:
If there's no God, who's to say what's evil and what's good?
If there's no God, there are no moral absolutes, and the majority of people (or whomever the person is with the biggest stick) decides what is right and wrong, and what is considered horribly "evil" today, could just as easily be considered magnificently "good" tomorrow.
I've seen what is "morally acceptable" change just in my short lifetime. Without God, morals cannot even be consistent, much less absolute.
With God morals aren't consistent. They're seldom good either.
Under god and in gods name we've had some of the worst atrocities the Human race has ever seen. Morals still changed to; otherwise the pope would still be calling for crusades and Inquisitions.
The Qur’an says that Christians and Jews are people of the book, and it is as bad to kill them as it is to kill a follower of Islam. Yet current extremists ignore this completely and say it is gods wish that these people be killed. Real consistent.
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If there's no God, who's to say what's evil and what's good?
If there is a God who decides who it is that gives us Gods 'will', and who decides how that 'will' should be interpreted.
The Bible was written by people, not God. It contradicts itself and its own Morals on every page. God is infinitely forgiving, but not above a bit of Genocide when the mood takes, but it’s alright, they're not real people, they have a different faith.
Under Gods law people were executed, maimed or imprisoned for life for the heinous crime of stealing a loaf of bread to feed their starving family.
If there is a God let God meter out the punishments and forgiveness, because we are obviously woefully unable to understand or enforce Gods will.
DT:
You did bring this back up…
Matter is not moving, the Big Bang wasn’t an explosion that threw matter out in all directions. The matter isn’t moving, space-time is expanding, and thus it is perfectly possible for matter to be uniformly distributed. In fact temperature variations (such as the ones seen in the cosmic background) explain why matter would tend to clump together as galaxies, planets, stars etc…
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if they're okay, then it's you.
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