Sequel Plot? ( Mild Serenity spoiler)

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UPDATED: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 17:11
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CHRISPV

Thursday, January 5, 2006 5:53 AM

My, aren't we demanding tonight!

Seriously, intriguing stuff. Not sure if I go along with it, but then again, I'm a self-professed hopeless romantic and, gorramit, I want Inara and Mal together. I have an overblown sense of chivalry about me, and watching her cry in Heart of Gold was painful. I just wanted to smack Mal upside the head for being so dense.

(Wow, listen to me. I sound like a fifteen year old girl. I'm gonna have to go and do some manly stuff to bolster my confidence.)

Also, I'm a little paranoid regarding the possibility of there being a trilogy. I love the redemptive third act as much as the next guy, but I'd hate to see the 'verse go out on a tremendous dark note because there was never a chance to firmly resolve the situation.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

MISSMADRASSA

Thursday, January 5, 2006 6:04 AM

I am also a hopeless romantic- and don't you think Thwarted Love is the best kind? Besides Joss is sooo good at writing this kinda thing.

I want Dr Zhivago all over the 'verse. They'll get together alright, but we'll be struggling to see it through tears. (You think you're the 15 year old girl- what the hell am I?... )

CHRISPV

Thursday, January 5, 2006 6:11 AM

I've never personally gotten past the "Happily ever after" phase of development, myself. It happens so seldom in real life, I just like it in my fiction. But I guess I should steel myself, because I think Joss might be a bit more in tune with your preferences. I remeber Buffy's track record with undead boyfriends. I'll follow Joss anywhere he decides to take the 'verse, I'm just hoping he decides to take it in that fairy tale direction.

And tell you what, if he does decide to opt for Thwarted Love, you and me will get together, watch the film, have a good cry, eat some ice cream, and generally just be teenage girls together.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, January 7, 2006 12:03 AM

Personally I like the idea of happily mostly after. More realistic and fulfilling than happily ever after.

I dislike the idea that things need to be epic. Life and death is still life and death whether they're trying to overthrow a government or rob a bank. The stakes are no less high in an ordinary job than in Serenity.

I also don't think one needs to follow the traditional way of doing things. The second in a trilogy need not end on a down note. The power of a tradition is that you know how to do it; the problem with it is that it is unoriginal, predictable, and stagnant. (Of course the details are what let you make the story not be those things.)

There was a time when you had to march your army in s straight line, Alexander the Great marched his in a diagonal, and so he won.

CHRISPV

Saturday, January 7, 2006 12:35 AM

Like I said before, I doubt that Joss would ever follow the expected. It's not his style. That, and I don't think that he can afford to have a largely "downer" film with a cliffhanger ending. Unless our fortunes change dramatically, I sincerely doubt that he'll get a guaranteed multiple film deal. Joss loves the 'verse, and the fans, too much to leave us in the lurch. As long as Serenity only gets to fly in fits and spurts, I think he'll always make sure she's firmly on the ground before the film ends.

So to speak.

As for the "epic" feel of things, I agree completely. I honestly don't need to see a big ol' Browncoat/Alliance brawl. But, I do think that if one comes to be, then the overall scope must change in order to do said brawl justice.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

LOCRAY

Saturday, January 7, 2006 12:56 AM

Hello, I'm new here, but I just had to register to say what I thought about what might happen in the BDS (wether it is a new season or movie). Now, you all say Joss always does the unexpected, and none of you came up with this yet:

Mal becomes the hero of the alliance.

No, wait, don't hang me yet! I've got an explanation! I swear, it's even somewhat coherent! Look here:

So, everybody in the entire 'verse just realised the Alliance poisoned a couple of millions of people, created the Reavers, and then covered it up big time! So, what do you do about it? You BLAME it on someone. The Alliance top guys will find a scape goat within themselves, who will be the evil guy who killed several millions of people and created the Reavers all in his cunning plan to destroy the Alliance and usurp power. And then Mal comes riding in and saves the day for the Alliance. Everybody comes out without losing face (or at least losing as little as possible), and Mal will of course (the way the Alliance hopes) be so overly happy to become the hero of the 'verse that he won't bother to speak up of the truth.

HUMBUG

Saturday, January 7, 2006 1:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Chipmunk
In his DVD commentary, Joss sincerely apologized for only once showing Mal scantily clad.

Yes - more semi-clad men, please!

Preferably Jayne or Mal (we've already had Simon, and, as Joss said in the DVD commentary, that view of Mal's chest in Serenity was so brief). Please let the camera linger &/or have a wider shot than just from the collar bone upwards.

We want to enjoy some of those fine looking men you have in that Serenity cast!!!

You have no idea how carefully I have to check my posts. I can spell just fine, but when I type I seems to get dyslexia of the keyboard!!!!!!!!

Humbug

"You know what the first rule of flying is?... Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take a boat in the air you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home." Mal, BDM

ZOID

Saturday, January 7, 2006 1:30 AM

Having just rewatched the entirety (okay, majority) of Firefly on the SciFi Marathon (I know y'all were tuned in too, right?), I think I may have an alternative explanation for Inara's "big secret". Hang onto something...

Inara's a Lesbian. Seriously. But hear me out, 'kay?

The Theory: She was in love with Nandi for years, dating back to their time together in Madrassa House. She never told Nandi, because she knew Nandi was het'ro; but, their classes kept them in close physical contact, so Inara could be intimate with Nandi, without ever revealing her true feelings of love for her. When Nandi chafed at Guild strictures she left Sihnon and the Guild, and Inara left shortly thereafter. When we see Inara crying after Mal sleeps with Nandi, we assume it's because she's pining after Mal; but what if it's actually Nandi's 'betrayal' that she's crying about?

Nandi likewise -- falsely, according to my theory -- assumes that the regret she sees in Inara's eyes is for Mal, not realizing that Inara is hurt more by Nandi's sleeping with another person, who happens to be a man, no less ("I wouldn't say I'm entirely okay. I'm a little appalled at her taste.").

Now here's the twist: In much the same way that people who have been 'raised' straight can realize in (sometimes much) later life that they have always been gay, Inara who was raised daily sharing intimacies with other women while in Companion training, is beginning to suspect that she may be attracted to -- gasp! -- men. Or specifically one man, Malcolm Reynolds.

And somebody said an Inara-based story would be dull. Musta been high...

Overtly,

zoid
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"I could stand to hear a little more..." -Jayne Cobb, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

MISSMADRASSA

Sunday, January 8, 2006 4:42 AM

ChristheCynic You wrote:

"I dislike the idea that things need to be epic. Life and death is still life and death whether they're trying to overthrow a government or rob a bank. The stakes are no less high in an ordinary job than in Serenity.

I also don't think one needs to follow the traditional way of doing things. The second in a trilogy need not end on a down note. The power of a tradition is that you know how to do it; the problem with it is that it is unoriginal, predictable, and stagnant. (Of course the details are what let you make the story not be those things.)"

Mr. Cynic, I wish so much that we could live in a perfect world where Firefly continued to entertain us weekly ad infinitum with ordinary job stories. I love that on the show, we saw the crew eating dinner, going to the toilet, flirting, playing games etc. The whole reason that browncoats (the fans) exist is because there is an ordinariness to Firefly that we can all relate to. It is precious and gives one the warm and fuzzies. And not only to us but to the characters themselves. Which is why, when the ordinary is threatened, as happens on Serenity, the crew turn into Big Damn Heroes in order to preserve it.

Do you not think that Serenity itself is an epic because of this? There was absolutely no room in the film for the mundane. Firstly, because practically cinema is like that- no time, 2 hours max. Secondly, because the characters could no longer live their mundane lives. They were forced into a greater arena. A 'rag-tag group of insignificants bringing the establishment to its knees' is as epic a scenario as it gets. From "The Seven Samurai" to "LOTR" trilogy- yep, it's traditional, maybe even predictable. But stagnant?- as you say, its in the details isn't it?

Unfortunately, I suspect there is no going back to the ordinariness of Firefly. Joss himself has said this. There is no luxury now of whole episodes dedicated to Rivers next dental appointment. The crew are bigger fugitives than ever now, they are going to find it harder to survive, and the captain now gives a damn. In the verse, the repercussions from Miranda will be great. It's looking more epic I'm afraid, not less.

VALLONTHEREAVER

Sunday, January 8, 2006 1:10 PM

sorry if this has already been mentioned but, Wouldn't it be awesome if Jayne had his moment in the next movie now I don't know if you are all following so I will explain. All the characters with the exception of Jayne seemed to have their shining moment. example Inara's "Those aren't incense", Mal's speeches and defeating the operative, Washs "I'm a leaf on the wind" to a certain extent. It seems to me that Jayne realy didn't have the spotlight on him that much with the exception of "Let's be bad guys" early in the movie, I would love to see a part where Jayne really get's to do somthing cool.

Jayne is the man

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