Joss' Farewell to the UB
POSTED BY: Jadehand
UPDATED: Monday, January 9, 2006 15:08
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Sorry *sheepish grin*
Double post
kas
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liminalosity wrote, in part:
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Sorry...didn't mean to sting...I was looking to find the edges after offending a poster in the anarchy of the 1st week of Oct, and stumbled into that thread, lol, not tailing you...
No 'sting' felt, no offense taken, and none intended in return. Maybe I should have said "since you've read at least one of my posts"?
I used to post several times a week on this site, until about mid-July past. That's when it started to get too 'anarchic' (although I'd tend to call it 'chaotic') on this board. But as I've sporadically said since, I am at home here, and will begin to resume a more active role, as I have done here in the past couple of weeks.
As I said, It's very good to make your acquaintance. I does like me a thinker... Here's a snippet from another post of mine, from long ago, which describes my notions of the universe (note the 'shadowy' context). Be sure and follow the link, also.
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TiPpY and manwithpez:
Semi-interestingly, I wouldn't know from Plato's Cave, if it hadn't been referred to as philosophically prescient of Gerard 't Hooft's Holographic Principle (further refined by Susskind and elaborated upon by Bohm, et al). See http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Holographic_Universe/id/34895 for complete article written in layman's terms, by physicist Jacob Bekenstein reprinted from Scientific American (a notoriously 'pop-sci' mag, apparently). The 'experiencefestival' website looks to consist of crystal-wearing, third-eye stuff; but this particular article appears to be a faithful reprint.
So, I learned about Plato's Cave, by learning about physics and cosmology, which was prompted by memorizing The Galaxy Song from "Monty Python's Meaning of Life", which was a comical look at philosophy ("Ahm so sorry! Ah deed not know we had a rass-cist workin' here!").
[EDIT: That's a Philosophy from Physics from Comedy from Philosophy round-tripper, for those attempting to keep score.]
As Steve Martin's character said in "Grand Canyon" (another life-changing movie): "All of life's riddles are answered in the movies."
Pseudo-Intellectually,
zoid
For you and kasluvsg1, this link ( http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=8029) takes you to my paean to FFFn, my home/haunt on the 'net. It's a fairly awful stab at a profession of love for this joint that I wrote back in Aught-Four, and which prompted another poster -- a high school English III teacher -- to politely ask me if I had yet graduated from secondary education. Yikes. But it was intended to be celebratory of FFFn, and descriptive of what this place means to me. Hopefully, we'll all be able to call this place home, and that no one will unceremoniously pull the plug on us, as they have done to the community of the NOB.
Alluding to my link, I guess Universal have decided Lascaux is the perfect site for a multilevel car park...
Respectfully,
zoid
P.S.
The good news is that I've got FFFn archived on CD-R. So if this place ever does get the HAL-9000 treatment, at least I'll still be able to jack in to a static backup.
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Originally posted by zoid:
Here's a snippet from another post of mine, from long ago, which describes my notions of the universe (note the 'shadowy' context). Be sure and follow the link, also.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Holographic_Universe/id/34895
[EDIT: That's a Philosophy from Physics from Comedy from Philosophy round-tripper, for those attempting to keep score.]
As Steve Martin's character said in "Grand Canyon" (another life-changing movie): "All of life's riddles are answered in the movies."
Alluding to my link, I guess Universal have decided Lascaux is the perfect site for a multilevel car park...
the HAL-9000 treatment
Curiouser and curiouser...there's just so much here.
I couldn't let this sit any longer while I wander around in links from what you handed off in this post. I enjoy thinking down the backtrail of what led me to what, and often it's art leading to truths and back to art around in the spiral, but for me the connections as often involve people and the serendipitous connections between us.
Thank you Zoid.
I very much enjoyed your story. FFF is an incomparible cave of wonders, and I am regularly astonished by the things I read here. I find such strong resonance with many of the people, and have already had so many encounters with parallel thought, it gets a little weird.
The Holographic Principle was, yeah, pretty much the scientific explanation for what I think about It all in Its enormity. I was never too happy about black holes, but this article shed new light on that whole idea. Following one of the links in the article, I found an article about entropy ( www.secondlaw.com) which debunks the use of the word 'disorder' in the concept of entropy. Yippie! My experience of the sciences is exceeded by my interest in and understanding of them, and that's unfortunate for the purposes of discussion and the epiphany a good discussion provokes. This is something I'm currently working to change. The professor of chemistry who wrote the article altered one of my least favorite aspects of entropy; the concept of 'disorder' in entropy. I've always felt that the definition was incorrectly applied to the concept. This sort of cognitive dissonance is one of the things that has kept me from reading much about science, particularly physics. So while there's a lot about science that I grok, I don't own the lexicon. I crave a full understanding of physics, I love this crazy universe. You've already read that I suspect 'random' is a term we incorrectly apply to patterns we are currently unable to comprehend. I feel the same about 'spontaneous'. I think the concept of 'chaos' as patternless disorder should be hijacked and altered as well. So, I'll be ignoring that dissonance while I read more of this, because I see the possibility of dissonance resolution.
Being holographic itself, your link (experiencefestival) had information from the other side of the woo-woo. The intersection of science and the woo-woo is one of my favorite things. There are puzzle pieces I've been searching years to find, and a that site had a couple of them for me. One of those will help with something I have been very focused on for the past couple of months. Again, thank you Zoid.
Lascaux? One of my favorite places. I've read a bit about paleolithic art, and I use those sorts of images fairly often. This is on Rel's site (shadowdepository) The image is something I did (Thoth across the River Styx) the text and hieroglyphics are Rel's.
http://www dot theshadowdepository dot co dot uk/creations/wallpapers/wp05.jpg
*edit to add: I didn't really want the whole thing here, it's just too big. You can follow Rel's link...
http://www.theshadowdepository.co.uk/index.htm /edit*
Last year I painted a whole room in my studio with creatures from the caves, handprints, and some of my favorite quotes lettered on the walls. This is a link to a book about depictions of shamanism in paleolithic art. They do some of their own debunking of the 'random' interpretation of meaning in ancient
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liminalosity:
Sir A.C. Clarke has long been one of my favorite authors. (NB: I'm more of a sci-fi guy than a fantasy guy, btw.) You knew he 'invented' the geosynchronous satellite, right? .. Without which the Internet would certainly be a lot more primitive ('primitive' in a bad way). And we may eventually get his 'space elevator' if they can get the materials figured out. (NASA unspooled some cable on a recent mission, as a precursor test.)
Try editing your last post, and pasting this link http://tinyurl.com/8uz2p into the spot where you have the Amazon link to the book about shamanism. The one you've got in there is sooo long it breaks the page and forces one to 'side scroll'. It's a little thing; but, I have problems trying to get back to the beginning of the next line and carry the train of thought. Try the Tinyurl above, and you'll see it takes you to the exact same place, in the exact same way (i.e., without adding a frame or a popup, etc.).
Having been a singer in rock bands for almost ten years coming out of high school, I have long held a fascination for shamans, my forebears and brothers. At its very best, a rock performance is a shared physical and spiritual experience. I can't tell you how many times I got the distinct impression that I was the head of an enormous super-organism, with individual humans as its cells; each of them cognizant, but a part of something larger, with its own identity and will. It's a very odd (and powerful) sensation, I can tell you, and one of the only things I truly miss from my 'playing days'.
I know you believe 'power' to be the antithesis of 'love', and "the only true evil"; but, I'd have to cite this example as proof that it ain't necessarily so. Power can be wielded to the enrichment of all, if it passes through the right conduit. Speaking of which, that's how it felt to me, at least to the extent that words can describe it at all: My moments at the head of the throng felt as though the entire crowd's energy was flowing through me. Humans in a single quantum phase state, humans as a plasma, humans as a superconductor... I suspect any shaman worth her/his salt shared exactly that same feeling.
To everybody, or at least anyone who might be reading this: That was what I meant about this place being Lascaux. Individually, we may not realize the full nature of what we are doing when we post here (any kind of post: silly, mad, thoughtful, etc.); but, we are sharing ourselves in a way that makes the sum greater than its constituent parts, if we can see it through a wide enough lens. That's something that both connects us with -- and distinguishes us from -- the rest of the animal kingdom. It's uniquely human.
*zoid drops the lump of coal, and backs away from the wall, brushing the black dust from his hands onto his leggings*
Maybe Just A Little Crazily, Hmm?,
zoid
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Maybe Just A Little Crazily, Hmm?
Yeah, I think we're all just a little crazily formed.
Arthur C Clark's imagining of the geosync satelite; a thing must be imagined before it can be brought into being. Are you familiar with Wm Gibson? He imagined an internet very much like the one we tread in, in the early '80's. This is one of the things I so enjoy about Sci Fi. I read it thinking 'will this be soon?'
I altered the link, thanks. I'm new to the internet wander, and not familiar with many of the mechanisms. The first time I read a post here where someone had inserted a link to another thread, my comment was 'won't that cause an event horizon?'
Performance and shamanistic ritual are two methods for a group to access the collective unconscious in ways that can use power to lift the group with shared joy, wisdom, healing. As you say, it can be an amazing experience for the channel through which that flows as well. There's nothing wrong with being empowered by others, the trick is all in how you use the power given you.
My understanding of 'will to power' in the Jung quote is 'asserting your will over the other's choice'. Power of itself I don't at all believe to be a bad thing, only when it's used for force or control over 'the other' does it slip into the shadow. I think he means power over the other in oneself as well; that one's own dark places also need to be brought into the light and healed, not forced to lie down in the corner.
I think your idea that the experience of this FFF place as storytelling and creation by the fire in the cave is something that many of us share. It seems that even Haken's site design using the black field of space is on some level a reflection of that idea: the big cave of the hologram. I agree that we affect the whole 'human' creature by what we do here, and I'm always grateful to see so many fine humans treat this as their home. I've enjoyed watching the site shift focus several times since I started posting in October (gosh, only October, I feel like I've been here much longer) and in some of the recent focus on getting to know each other I've noticed a new level of open hearted communication and a calm courage. Yay us, growing.
"Then Ulmo answered: "Truly, water is become now fairer than my heart imagined, neither had my secret thought conceived the snowflake, nor in all my music was contained the falling of the rain." -Tolkien
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