Blue Sun

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FLETCH2

Monday, January 2, 2006 9:14 PM

WARNING: Spoilers for the Serenity comic book/graphic novel ahead.

We don't know for sure that the blue hand guys and Blue Sun have any connection. As far as I can see it's fan supposition based on

1) They both have something to do with "Blue"
2) River's bad reaction to the logo.

Some points worth making.

1) In the comic (which Joss wrote, says is canon and explains the period between "Firefly" and the BDM) the representative of Parliament that gives the Operative his instructions calls the blue hand guys "Independent Contractors" which suggests they were working for the Parliament.

2) River escapes from an Alliance Lab, there are no indications of Blue Sun's involvement with the lab at any level.

3) River has been shown off to a number of high ranking officials. Who knows what else she might know besides Miranda.

This is my take on it. We as fans only saw 15 episodes of a series Joss probably hoped would run 7 seasons. The man likes to foreshadow.

The standard fan assumption is that all of River's odd behavior relates to one story arc --- someone mysterious messed with River, River dislikes Blue Sun therefore Blue Sun messed with River. Some guys in blue gloves are after River, we know they work with the Alliance but are not Alliance. Therefore since we already "proved" that Blue Sun are behind what happened to River these must be Blue Sun guys.

I suspect that we are lumping together foreshadowing for more than one River thread. If I had to guess I would say.

1) The Alliance messed with River in a super secret Alliance lab. When she escaped they contracted the blue hand guys to find her. I would argue that we don't know who they are, yes they could be Blue Sun, but they could just as equally be Wolfram and Hart for all we know. In the comics we see that underneath the suits they are blue -- either a tight fitting body suit or an artificial body (remember Tracy?) I'm guessing that they were selected because they had the best chance of success against River. I further guess they are actually the Pinkerton's in this Western. Private security of some kind.

2) Blue Sun is up to something and River knows it, either because she read it in the minds of some observer or though her psychic senses. Maybe they are going to put something like Pax in the food? Maybe "Textured protean" is just another brandname of Soylent Green. Whatever it is River knows about it and it was going to effect the crew (had we had more than one series.)

DONCOAT

Monday, January 2, 2006 9:41 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
I further guess they are actually the Pinkerton's in this Western. Private security of some kind.

"Who are those guys?" <-- Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid reference

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Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.

SAMWIBATT

Monday, January 2, 2006 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Zisker:
Blue Sun holds "the monopoly on packaged foodstuffs" ... Of product quality: "While not the best on the market, Blue Sun products are the most reliable. If you buy Blue Sun, you always know what you're going to get. There are never any surprises - good, bad, or otherwise"

Indeed, it appears they even make Fruity Oaty bars - here's the first thing you see in the FOB commercial.

CMOTD

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 12:18 AM

Originally Blue Sun Sun Corp was supposed to be the organization that labotomized River. However when Joss approached the good folks at Universal about making a Firefly movie, they told him to drop the Blue Sun sub plot. He did, and Blue Sun became Parliment.

Takes more than combat gear to make a man
Takes more than a license for a gun
Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can
A gentleman will walk but never run

-Sting, An Englishman in New York

FLETCH2

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 1:38 AM

Do you have a link for this? Does Joss say why?

Hummmm

CMOTD? -- Cthulu's Message of the Day???

DANIELFYRE

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 3:20 AM

Did anyone see the blue sun logo prior to firefly? I remember seein it over 6 years ago when I was still in highschool. I had to do a project for my computer graphics class and I used that image from the net to edit...Just curious if anyone had seen it prior to firefly and if so where it originally came from?

-Dan

Ain't that just shiny?

CMOTD

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 10:37 PM

Do you have a link for this? Does Joss say why?

No he dosen't, and I can't provide a link. The article was posted on the old spacecast message board, which no longer exists.

CMOTD? -- Cthulu's Message of the Day???

CMOTD=Cut Me Own Throat Dibbler.

Edited to add: Actually, it may still exist. Go to www.spacecast.com and look in the Firefly section, there you should find a thread entitled:

Still Flying: The Firefly Thread. I think the piece is in there.

FLETCH2

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 2:30 AM

I went and looked through all 46 pages in that thread and I couldn't see it. I'm really interested if this is the case because Joss keeps going on record and saying that Universal "gets it" and didn't force any changes on him at all. Seems a little odd him saying that if they forced him to change bad guy.

Hummm, I see a panel question for this year's comicon.

THEONETRUEBIX

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 2:53 AM

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2) Blue Sun is up to something and River knows it, either because she read it in the minds of some observer or though her psychic senses. Maybe they are going to put something like Pax in the food? Maybe "Textured protean" is just another brandname of Soylent Green. Whatever it is River knows about it and it was going to effect the crew (had we had more than one series.)

My particular fan wank is that the reason why River lashed out at Blue Sun logos is not because Blue Sun did something to her, but because there's something of an internal war going on between the military side of the Alliance and the commercial side, and part of River's programming by the military arm reflects that. Alternatively, she simply psychically picked up on some Parliament member's hostility towards Blue Sun and was unconsciously acting that out.

PHILYBURKHILL

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 3:25 AM

The people who are experimenting on River are Blue Sun rather than Alliance, at least I think. The Alliance seem to just hire Blue Sun to do everything, manufacturer everything and have a complete monopoly on the core worlds. In the comics, the blue hand people are presumably Blue Sun since the Op is contacted at the end about the Blue Sun guys failing.

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