If you could change one thing in Firefly...

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UPDATED: Thursday, July 24, 2003 04:02
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REXRAYGUN

Thursday, July 17, 2003 6:27 PM

Interesting thread. I wouldnt' change anything on the show, though I thnk the blue eyes thing is wild, with overtones of psychology class films running through my head. I would love it if they would have gotten licensing for action figures, perhaps by Sideshow Toys, who do awesome likeness sculpting.

Just my dos pesos,

Rex!

GAMBIT3

Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:35 PM

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You wanna talk about fair? After how many years of seeing womens breasts in movie after movie, with no man backsides (or frontsides for that matter ) in site....I'd say we women are still owed quite a bit of male nakedness.

Hmm... so I guess that Harvey Keitel scene in "The Piano" didn't do it for you, huh?

That being said... I'd vote for more Book and more Nekkidness. Though not necessarily Book'd nekkidness....

Maybe Kaylee's...

Prefferably Kaylee's....

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CAPTBAGGYTROUSERS

Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:05 PM

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Originally posted by RexRaygun:
I would love it if they would have gotten licensing for action figures, perhaps by Sideshow Toys, who do awesome likeness sculpting.

*ahem*

I'm a sculptor who, okay, didn't get a job with Sideshow (but got the fastest, nicest rejection email ever in mere seconds, leading me to believe the entire place is controlled by Robots. Wonderful, beautiful Robots whom make great toys including a George Lazenby James Bond. Bless those 'Bots.)

Anyway, figures I can't do because of manufacturing issues, but I keep thinking of mini-busts. Of whom though? "All of them!" The Browncoats chorus. I know, I know... Can't do commit the time, I'm afraid. I was thinking of doing Serenity herself, but I need much much more reference than good ol' TSR80's DVDs, great though they are. Anyway, I want Firefly stuff too.

As for the show... I wish they'd had a little more money for things like costumes which, while usually very clever and well-done, were a little clunky on the Alliance. They looked like retrofitted suit jackets to me. Had the show gone on I bet budgets for these things would have been a little more generous.

Can't wait for the movie.

History repeats the old conceits

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DRAKON

Friday, July 18, 2003 9:10 AM

"The only question is; what legitimate plot point would require all of the crew and passengers to jump into a shower together?"

Chemical, biological or nuclear contamination. Which might also involve the application of oat meal (Its used to pull contaimination off the skin without scrubbing it into the pores)

In Objects in Space, Book comes out of a small room forward of the passenger dorm area, with towel over his shoulders, in a bathrobe, with his toiletries bag. Just before Early beats the snot out of him.

Which got me to thinking on a tangent. Dobson beast the snot out of Early, rather viciously in the pilot Serenity. And Early, who had apparently done his homework on the crew before entering the ship, mentions that Book is no Sheppard. Hmmmm..

"My kind of stupid"

JLP

Friday, July 18, 2003 10:37 PM

OK,

The official nekkidness list.

Kaylee--all nekkid, all the time

Inara--seductively nekkid, preferably in silky things

River--eew. That is like seeing your kid sister nekkid.

Mal--nekkid as he wants to be. He already showed his buns. make it a regular joke. Captain tightpants becomes captain no-pants. take them off at the slightest pretext--just make sure he always does it with mal-like dignity.

Wash--if you like funny nekkid, then, ok. O/W, maybe not

Jayne--this seems obvious--most people think he should constantly be nekkid. why buy jayne clothes? a waste of good firefly money. but jayne probably shouldn't take it all off. keep him just partly nekkid to make the ladies happy but keep them in suspense. Make them think he is about to be totally nekkid, and then have nekkid mal walk in the way of nekkid jayne buns. They won't know whether to be happy or sad.

simon--sort of like seeing your stuffy but remarkably fit older brother nekkid. Do you really want to? Yes, if you are kaylee. The rest of us? Hmm. Better ask the ladies.

Book--Yes to nekkidness. But only in the privacy of his own bunk where we are never invited. There, he may have nekkid interprative dance parties, nekkid bible reading, nekkid hair doing parties. just don't invite us.

JLP

MELEAUX

Friday, July 18, 2003 11:44 PM

Ok here is why you see naked women a lot more than naked men. Naked men look funny. No offene guys but it is true. With the exception of brief glimpses of backsides its just eeewww.
I might make an exception for Jayne.

She understands, she doesn't comprehend

KAYTHRYN

Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:04 AM

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Posted by JLP:
simon--sort of like seeing your stuffy but remarkably fit older brother nekkid. Do you really want to? Yes, if you are kaylee. The rest of us? Hmm. Better ask the ladies.

You can put my vote down as a “hell yes”.

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JOHNNYREB

Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:16 AM

I thought the reason that more woman than men appear "nekked" in movies is psychological. Allow me to explain. Men are typically aroused by visual stimuli, while women are aroused by...sweet nothings, romance? Dunno. If I did I would probably be getting more.

Joking aside, Let's look at the track record. Movies made by women for women center on romance and relationships. Movies made by men for men center on nudity. If women were aroused by the same visual stimuli as men, then wouldn't all movies be all naked all the time?

That's not to say that women can't appreciate a buff bod. It's just that sex, for women, seems to be part of a larger relationship experience, while sex, for men, is an ends to the means.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way I understand it. If I'm wrong, someone please set me straight. Ah needs ta get some! LOL! I kill me.

Viva Firefly!

VETERAN

Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:32 AM

Hey, JLP you forgot Zoe. I'd like to see Zoe nekked, or at least in a slinky dress.

Been thinking about this thread as I read Killer Angels. I would make the Alliance/Browncoat issue more complex. I tend to get the feeling that the Alliance is shown as an ever present evil. I wouldn't mind to see that there are some good people in the Alliance. The easiest would be an officer who remebers fighting Mal and Zoe or at least their unit, and respects them. One who might help the crew out or at least overlook some offense, because of his/her sense of honor. (Maybe Dead or Alive was written with some of this in mind)

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:27 AM

Mal, Simon, Wash, Jayne- nekid. Definitely.

Since that's not about to happen!!!!.....

I'd change the bad guys. Been told that if you want to make convincing good guys you have to create really convincing bad guys. If ever anyone saw "Waterworld" that was a prime example of bad guys who were just too stupid to survive.

Some of FF bad guys seem to be too incompetent or mono-dimensional to be really interesting. Look at Niska: he loves torture too much to be a successful businessman. You can't run an empire COMPLETELY through intimidation. By way of opposite example, look at Bill Gates- he's richer than Saddam ever was and never yanked out anyone's teeth. Badger either has an entire underworld completely terrorized (but doesn't seem smart enough to pull it off) or he has to be SOMEWHAT reliable. You can't keep stabbing people in the back w/out eventually losing contacts. Blue-hands are too catoonish. Early was a buffoon. I'd try to make these characters more robust.

Where FF does a good job is showing how people just doing their jobs and living their lives can be evil- Alliance officers and the Tams. Not innately evil, just blind or scared or even true believers. The Reavers are a good touch: too crazy to be fully explained.

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