the scary calculations involving getting Serenity to profit

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UPDATED: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 20:01
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GATORMARC

Sunday, January 1, 2006 11:38 PM

The original post is off on several things, imo:

1) The Box office is at about $38.5 million now, not $35 million.
2) DVD Rental revenues are being ignored. I'm not sure how rentals are calculated in but they are in some fashion, right?
3) TV Rights aren't being calculated. USA paid $3 million for the network rights to Serenity, and HBO paid something like $5 million for their broadcast rights.

GatorMarc

Eat 'em up, chomp, chomp.

WHITEFALL

Monday, January 2, 2006 2:28 AM

I agree with the guy who mentioned wonder woman...

Lets face it, Joss is tied down till he finishes wonder woman, (which i'm interested in how he, as a feminist, doesnt make it soft-core porn like i was told catwoman was) and really, he was offered a big, thing, Wonder Woman is an old franchise, and if he does it well, (which,... ok, preaching to the choir here) then he'll gain noteriety as a writer-director guy, and eventually he'll be able to do something with the 'verse. As for serenity without Joss's help... i dunno, i agree that the fanbase has greatly expanded, and a sequel would do much better than the original, because the original was never about quality of the movie, just marketing of the franchise.

it is in the nature of box office #s that the better something is advertised, the better it does. generally someone only sees a movie once, and if they walk out hating the movie, tis no big deal, they still bought a ticket. We didnt have a ton of marketing, and besides, "Serenity" on a list of movies doesnt tell you anything about it the way "40 year old virgin" unfortunately does. Just the way the stupid system works. :-\

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SAMEERTIA

Monday, January 2, 2006 2:31 AM

Yeah. But "Catwoman" had Peter Wingfield in it, so there's really no comparison.
Unless, of course, Peter gets a role in Wonderwoman...

CHRISPV

Monday, January 2, 2006 3:51 AM

I have simply two points.

1.) This is not original to me, but I think it deserves mention. The BDM came out right after Katrina hit. Everyone was depressed, gas was 3 bucks a gallon or more, money was tight. Entertainment budgets naturally get scrimped on under those circumstances. Consequently, we didn't see the turnout we hoped for. I believe that the box office as a whole took a hit at that time.

2.) Underworld got a sequel. Let that sink in. Underworld. A truly fecal film had I ever seen one. Yeah, it took a while, but it happened.

My point is, we shouldn't treat this like it's a Star Trek film or a Potter movie. A new film was never a preconception, so expecting it to happen immediately just ain't gonna happen. We're pretty much all sci-fi nerds, and we've become accustomed to knowing a film is coming out on a regular schedule, ala Spider-Man and the X-Men flicks. My advice is look at it more like back when Pierce Brosnan became James Bond. There was quite a dry spell there, but the new film was coming. We just didn't know when.

Bottom line, we WILL get ourselves a Big Damn Sequel. But, much like the Apocalypse, no one knows the day or the hour.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

THEPRIMARYBUFFERPANEL

Monday, January 2, 2006 4:21 AM

Hey, I didn't think Underworld was all that bad besides the fact it sucked.

I agree with Chris. Like the consumers that we are, we demand too much. Let Wonder Woman be made. As a dedicated fan to Firefly/Serenity/Joss, I'm willing to sit and watch the sequel to Underworld this year knowing that Serenity will have a sequel shot sometime in the future even though I won't know when. Joss has much pressure on his back and weight to carry. Even if he, Joss, does not feel up to creating the sequel, I know some rich and established fan/billionaire who's name isn't Uwe Boll will probably buy the rights to the whole series then make some okay-halfway-decent prequel/sequel.

Also, I gotsa question. Is there a thread where people have listed possible questions/topics to be answered and discussed in the sequel? I have a few of my own but I know the intellectuals here may have far more.

Niska: Oh, you do not like I kill this man?
Mal: No, I'm sure he was a...very bad person.
Niska: My wife's nephew. At dinner I am getting earful. There is no way around that.

CHRISPV

Monday, January 2, 2006 4:35 AM

C'mon theprimarybufferpanel, weren't you just a wee bit annoyed when you saw that film?

"COOL! Vampires fighting werewolves! Awesome! Fangs everywhere, good old fashioned bloody carnage! Wait, they're shooting at each other?? That's it??!!?? A MATRIX RIP-OFF!!!!!! GAARRRR!"

Personally, I fully expect two or three novels and at least one more run of comics to come out before we even catch wind of a sequel.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

CWNEK

Monday, January 2, 2006 4:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisPV:
2.) Underworld got a sequel. Let that sink in. Underworld. A truly fecal film had I ever seen one. Yeah, it took a while, but it happened.

I got very excited when I heard this news. UW was WRETCHED! Then I checked Box Office Mojo...this turkey actually made pretty good money in box office receipts...then there were the suckers like me who contributed to its rental #s. But...who on Earth would subject themselves to the sequel after having suffered the original?

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Monday, January 2, 2006 5:09 AM

I liked it. I thought it was cool, plus pouty hot ass-kicking British good vampire chick in spadex.

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SAMEERTIA

Monday, January 2, 2006 5:19 AM

I was dragged to see "Underworld" at the theater with a group of friends. Second worst 10$ I've ever spent. Worst was for that overcooked hamburger at the Blue Chalk Cafe in Palo Alto.

So really, when a movie rates only slightly better than a dried out burger, it's amazing to me that it gets a sequel.

Then again, "Highlander; The Source" is in post-production, even with the agony that was "Endgame", so there's no accounting for Hollywood.

ITSBROKEN

Monday, January 2, 2006 5:32 AM

Anyone know any figures as to how many actual fans of firefly are out there? (fans, browncoats, flans, etc) Just curious because for a tv show that got canceled not 15 aired episodes into the first season, firefly has a pretty huge fanbase.

still cant believe fox canceled the show because they thought it was not going to be profitable.. money, money, money.. it was a damn good QUALITY show, and qualtiy should always win! (not always the case though in the real world, with all these reality shows floating around. those shows should be the ones canceled)

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Someone should count how many firefly fans are out there (fans willing to buy firefly stuffs so the suits can make money)

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