Petition for a 'Fan Cut' of Serenity (I feel like such a whiner...)
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, December 29, 2005 03:05
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
I'm more than a little confused about why DVDs don't have more commentaries. I mean if adding an audio track is as simple as it seems, and since audio commentaries are done in one go, if there is space on the disk why not just sit everyone down and get their comments.
Hell why not have one for each of the main characters' actors solo, and one where everyone does it together (totally failing to make any kind of point because there are too many people for one audio track, but you get to smile at them all interacting as themselves instead of characters)?
It takes ages to make a movie, it takes two hours plus or minus a bit to make a commentary, why not make more?
Space is part of the reason. Only so much can fit on a single disk. So, to add more comentaries, either you'd loose some extra features, or picture/sound qaulity in the movie itself. Of you have to spread things out over more disks, which drives up the cost.
Also, you have to pay everyone for their commentaries, so that also drives the cost up, especially when you have 9 main characters (11 if you want Mr. Universe and the Operative in as well).
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I would probably give my right arm for more Serenity or Firefly..But I will be the one to say it , 90% of the deleted scenes were poorly acted and some poorly lit..I love the actors but people have bad takes...Joss is a passionate director and I think he would take it as an insult if you questioned his editing decisions...Especially since he has already said this is the final cut..Everything you love about these characters exists because Joss created them..Not just actors have egos so do Directors..This is Whedons Movie directorial debut and it is extemely impressive enjoy it for what a masterpiece it is not what he left out...No artist wants someone hacking up his creation and adding things...Trust Joss he is the genius..If he cut it then it should be cut!!
I know you just want more Serenity ,but I think its criticizing Joss not praising him...Paraphrazing Whedons intro "if there is something you dont like about the film now is the time for Quiet months and months of quiet"
Saying that you think he cut the scenes to appeal to new fans and you wish he left them in the film is a criticizism and somewhat of a harsh one..
Sanjuro
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I agree. I think UniversaL should release an extended version for the fans. I am glad the theatrical version came out on dvd for non converts. I would buy an extended version in a heartbeat.
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Originally posted by geejake:
Saying that you think he cut the scenes to appeal to new fans and you wish he left them in the film is a criticizism and somewhat of a harsh one.
Sanjuro
Why do you say that? I don't wish to argue about. I mean no one would force you to watch an extended version or anything. But I'm curious why you think that's a criticism. All it amounts to is a recognition of the limitations under which he was working. The beauty of DVD's and alternate cuts is that a director, and his fans, can be free from the limitations of the theater release.
Todd Rundgren has been releasing cds for years now that allow the user to remix the songs. Is that an affront to his vision? No, its a recognition that people have different tastes. Nothing more.
SergeantX
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I Would snatch up any extended edition with glee unmatched cept when I got a SNES for my ninth birthday, However I crave cast commentaries more then i care bout the deleted scenes being put into the film.
I love all the deleted scenes and do think that they flesh out the story more, But I already have them and can see where many of them go even if they are a bit rough. Plus I kinda get the feeling that they put most of the deleted scenes on the disc already so a new cut would only run ten to fifteen minutes longer.
But just so you folk don't think i'm not on this bandwagon I would love to see not so much an extended cut of the movie but a special edition with Extras galore, Commentaries, Interviews with the cast, crew and even the people who set up the buffet table, a starchart showing where all the planets are, a lil model of serenity and a cool metal dvd case to hold it all
Heck since i'm dreaming a version of the film done in lego animation ala the holy grail special edition would be pretty shiny
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I have already made a version putting the deleted scenes back in. Its not as simple as it sounds. Some deleted scenes require being broken up and inserted between theatrical scenes (extended locker/Haven arrival). Also, some theatrical bits need to be removed (Jayne playing guitar, the Operative looking at the Maidenhead feed, the computer display of Mal's profile).
The running time of what I made is 2:07, but I also removed Mal's attack on the Reavers to get them to follow. I felt it takes away the WOAH moment when they come out of the cloud. So figure 2:08 if that is kept in.
I had to do it on VHS because I don't have any DVD editing software that allows precise editing, and can play the sound when you edit (VERY important if you want to try it).
Another problem when trying it with software is the differences between the movie and deleted scenes files. The acpect ration and audio are not compatible so conversion is necessary. Thats why I decided to do it to VHS, I was able to do it the day I got the DVD.
If anyone cares to try, good luck. I think you will find it both challenging and satisfying.
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For the most part, I thought the cuts were a good idea. Many really didn't fit the movie and it works better without them. And we still got to see them.
The only one I really, really miss and adds all of, oh, ten seconds to the running time, is the intro of Haven and Book with his prayer as a voiceover. Not only do you see more of Haven and its relationship to Serenity (the guy coming off the cannon, the crew being fed, Jayne giving Book a cigar), it established Book as a preacher and, in a larger narrative sense, a voice of not just wisdom, but of authority. I think the inclusion of Book's prayer would have done a lot for the few moments we have with the character, and it was nice to hear Ron Glass read.
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Originally posted by CaptBaggytrousers:
For the most part, I thought the cuts were a good idea. Many really didn't fit the movie and it works better without them. And we still got to see them.
The only one I really, really miss and adds all of, oh, ten seconds to the running time, is the intro of Haven and Book with his prayer as a voiceover. Not only do you see more of Haven and its relationship to Serenity (the guy coming off the cannon, the crew being fed, Jayne giving Book a cigar), it established Book as a preacher and, in a larger narrative sense, a voice of not just wisdom, but of authority. I think the inclusion of Book's prayer would have done a lot for the few moments we have with the character, and it was nice to hear Ron Glass read.
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Yes that did feel better. When I first saw the movie I really didn't feel for Kaylee's loss when she saw the kid that jumped in her arms was dead. I felt that there must have been more that was shot to establish more of a relationship. The deleted scene didn't really show much more, but overall I think it added.
Unfortunately, in order to put this scene in, a few shots of the crew with the people of Haven that was in the theatrical release had to be sacrificed. It would have been nice if both could have been included.
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I really liked the cut Mal/Inara escape scenes of them running down the hallway and "I'm OK" on the shuttle craft heading back to the ship.
I DO agree that they would have made Mal look less heroic for non-firefly fans though...
Reinserting those would be prety simple but they wouldn't match the color/sound without some work.
Cutting the fake grenade scene was 100% a good call.
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Originally posted by dc4bs:
I really liked the cut Mal/Inara escape scenes of them running down the hallway and "I'm OK" on the shuttle craft heading back to the ship.
I DO agree that they would have made Mal look less heroic for non-firefly fans though...
Reinserting those would be prety simple but they wouldn't match the color/sound without some work.
Cutting the fake grenade scene was 100% a good call.
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dc4bs
Not so simple. Thats one of the places where I had to go back of forth between the deleted and theatrical. The lines after 'its not your shuttle' are different. I decided to keep both because I liked both. But it meant that Inara sits down twice.
The real problem isnt the color or sound as much as it is the green screen.
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