Time to rally the Browncoats! Hold the line a bit longer!

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CINEMAFREAK

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:46 PM

How about you stop hijacking the thread and carry on an actual conversation?

CBY

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:49 PM

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Originally posted by cinemafreak:
How about you stop hijacking the thread and carry on an actual conversation?

How about stop using my log entry against me?

FREERADICAL42

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:54 PM

CBY, I'm sorry, but you're really giving CinemaFreak a hard time.

CinemaFreak; you're letting CBY get to you too much.

This entire thread should end up in troll country, largely because of CBY, but both of you are egging each other on.

"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."

CINEMAFREAK

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:57 PM

I apologize for all eggs thrown.

Now seriously, any fan work that people can post?

JACE

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:37 PM

Now I'm just as big a Firefly fan as anyone out else out there, but I haven't to be vocal in my opinions at this point:

Doesn't anyone else agree with me that it's time to let things go? We've already achieved the rare and impossible by getting a movie that, as Joss once eloquently put it, 'shouldn't exist', yet does. Isn't that enough? I think we're at the end of our journey, here, folks...the movie tied up almost all of the nagging questions that the series left us with. I think PVPonline.com's Scott Kurtz puts it best:

"Okay.

Angela and I saw Serenity in the best possible conditions: at a sneak peek with hundreds of Firefly fans. The movie was exciting, fast, funny, and reminded me why I fell in love with these characters in the first place. As a fan of Firefly, it delivered 100%.

Walking into the movie, we have expectations and unanswered questions left by the cancelled show:

1) Why is the alliance after River? What did they do to her and why?
2) Will Mal and Innara ever work out?
3) Will Simon and Kayleigh ever hook up?
4) What are the Reavers?
5) What is the deal with Shepherd Book's past?

The movie tied up every single one of these questions as far as I'm concerned. Joss tied up every loose end. The alliance made the reavers. Simon and Kayleigh hook up finally. Mal and Innara, in one exchange, figure out how to coexist without pushing each other away. The Reavers were made by the Pax. Maybe River was designed to fight them. I personally think that Book was once an operative like the one chasing the crew in this movie. I think he was once a believer for the alliance and much like the operative in this movie, he woke up and broke away. Everything got tied up.

And there were consequences. Changing consequences. The Alliance Parliament was shaken. Wash died. Book died. River was cured of a huge mental problem. Things are changed in that universe.

Which may mean that we won't be getting more Firefly. It certainly, in my opinion, means Joss Whedon is assuming we wont.

Serenity wasn't movie #1. It was movie #3. We got Return of the Jedi first because I don't think Joss was certain that if he started with movie #1 he would ever get a chance to show us movie #3. So he gave us the last movie first.

He let us see how things end first. He let us peek at the last page of his novel. He wanted to make sure that his fans got to see how everything ended. The final chapter. He gave us that first.

I really like that Serenity was so final. I like that we got to see how these guys end up. That they went through a lot but ended up okay, and made a difference in their world. I don't feel so sad now about the loss of the show because he gave us closure on these characters. I really can't thank Joss enough for doing that.

It's really a brilliant move.

So bottom line. Serenity really kicked me in the balls. It was fun, exciting and most importantly, satisfying. It really helped me scratch the itch that I couldn't reach after Firefly was taken from me.

Thank you Joss!"

~Scott Kurtz

In my opinion, at this point, wouldn't pushing Joss and the Serenity/Firefly cast for more makes us appear a little crazy-obsessive and ungrateful...?

I think it's time to let the line go and let this ship sail. You can't say we weren't successful after everything we've all done and after all we've accomplished...

Just because we've reached our end doesn't mean it has to be the end. We've become a tight community of friends...we've also all become family...none of this would've EVER probably happened if it weren't for Firefly/Serenity. We've gotten SO much more than just a series and a movie.

Finally, just because we've reached our end doesn't mean we're not Browncoats anymore...nothing can take that away from us.

I'll step off my soapbox now...sorry if I upset anyone; that wasn't my intention (feel free to flame me). I just wanted to give everyone some things to think about.

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CHESHIRE

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:51 AM

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1) Why is the alliance after River? What did they do to her and why?
2) Will Mal and Innara ever work out?
3) Will Simon and Kayleigh ever hook up?
4) What are the Reavers?
5) What is the deal with Shepherd Book's past?

Actually, I have to disagree with Scott Kurtz. Of his list of five questions, I think the movie only really answered #3 and #4 to satisfaction (it certainly didn’t answer #5). To continue the Star Wars metaphor, we only saw “New Hope” - River herself. We learned more of what she is capable of, but we still do not have a solid explanation for why the Alliance had the reader program to start with. We speculate – to be assassins, or Reaver hunters, or spies to work within the Alliance and report to the Blue Sun corp - but we don't know. Where’s my tidy video from the last survivor on Miranda to explain in detail exactly why it all happened? I won’t consider River’s part in the Firefly verse complete until she gets to go back to the “school,” deal with the replacement for her that you know they’ve been working on as a contingency plan, free other “students,” and, most importantly, beat the living snot out of some Blue Hand guys. That is movie #3.

The ‘verse is in flux at the end of Serenity. Our BDH’s will have defiantly attracted the attention of the Alliance with their actions. The Blue Hands will want their experiment back. The Operative tries to atone and helps to keep our crew one step ahead of the opposition – all the while feeding them choice tidbits about a revolution brewing on the planets. Mal and Inara are on uncertain relationship footing (hopeful, but not confirmed). Zoe has to deal with losing Wash (cry). Mal has new war demons to lay to rest. Jayne still needs to shoot things.

I respect that Joss wants to take a break. I look forward to a Buffy movie. But I hope that when he’s all rested up, his mind will turn back to the verse he set in motion, because there’s still plenty of story to tell.

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CAUSAL

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:15 AM

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Ladies and gentlemen, you remember the recent discussions about trolls? (The other post from this fellow is also quite amusing)

Oh man, I don't even remember the last time I saw satire this good! Attack a random user (who's actually on topic) with an off-topic rant about what a troll he is all the while using the tactics of a troll!

Wait--what's that? It wasn't a satire? You were serious?

Hmmm...who's the troll supposed to be again?

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MATTIE

Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:51 PM

I totally agree. CBY and CinemaFreak sound like Jayne and Kayleigh. It's kind of silly, actually. GET OVER IT!!!!
As for everyone saying that Joss is done. Give me a break! We all know that once you're a part of this 'verse, it NEVER leaves you. I think that the whole "Joss gave us episode 3 first" is a crock and a stretch, not to mention kind of a sad way to look at things.
All I can say is that I will never get enough because this show, this 'verse, this little crew on this little ship that we love so much has taught us all something, and that is to never give up hope. Time will go on, people will move on but we will forever have this little gem of a thing that taught us to believe. Think about it, how can we, as loyal and devoted fans, give up on something that we worked so hard to keep alive? We all know that Joss is a fan, the most hard core fan there is, and he worked his ass off for our BDM. Of course he's tired, who wouldn't be? Of course he's maybe a little frustrated and dejected that not everyone in the entire world loved his creation as much as he (and we) did. You know what though? When a person invests that much of themselves in something like Serenity, you can't just walk away. If--and this is a big if--we don't get another movie out of all of this, then so be it. I'm sure that we'll all see the 'verse's influence in other Joss movies/works, and just think, that will open the door to us for other things to begin to love and enjoy just as much as this.
I say we rally around our Big Damn Director/Writer/Creator/Hero and tell him just how much we love him the other Big Damn things associated with Firefly and Serenity.
Keep those spirits up! The signal will not be lost, ever. And for heavens' sake, STOP bickering! You're like children, and as much as I love kids I hate whiners. Keep it up, and you'll both be eligible for troll-hood.

Wacky fun!

ZIPPLY

Friday, December 30, 2005 12:51 AM

(original admonition edited) Lighten up, CBY.

KILLERANGELS

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 5:07 AM

Totally agree with Universal dropping the ball on this one. I'm really ticked. The odds were against it and it's like Universal wanted Joss to fail. The movie comes out in late Sept. after the summer "blockbusters", little or no advertising, and then it was pulled from theaters after a month. C'mon! It has always been a word of mouth show and movie. I'm sure given a little more time it would have caught on. I was going to go see it again but it was gone. But noooo, crap like Flightplan is still out in theaters. Critics loved Serenity and even said it's what the Star Wars (I, II, III) movies should have been. Now that says a lot.

Now that I think of it Lucas should have had Joss write and direct I,II,III. Imagine how much better they would have been. Then Joss could have taken his money and made Firefly episodes and Serenity movies with his own indie movie co. Ah to dream.

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