How many years before China is No. 1?
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UPDATED: Saturday, September 5, 2026 17:48
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I wonder how many people bemoaning the loss of manufacturing jobs have ever HELD one? Standing on an assembly line, doing mindless repetative work, feet aching, talking to no one, hearing nothing but a machine humm, trying to not go insane waiting for your pathetic 1/2 hour lunch in the cafeteria so you can bitch about the previous 4 hours you spend standing on the line.
Now imaging being the person on the end of the line that has to check the work of the other people on the line. Write them up. Point out their mistakes. Yup, the dreaded QA aditor. Been there, done that.
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"Funny and sexy. You have no idea. And you never will."
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If it paid the bills, I could do it.
But if it paid crap, I could understand the resentment...
Chrisisall, with bills
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Thank you HAYWARD79 for providing sound economic theory to this discussion.
As for China buying US Debt, I have no problem with a country buying it at the highest prices in 50 years. Funding our economic growth at a cheap price. Communist have much to learn about capitalism.
Only the half mad are wholly alive!
E.A. 
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"Yes, I must try to remember that all I see is false; the ice caps are not melting, the climate is not changing, our standard of living is as good as it was 25 years ago, war is fast becoming obsolete as we are but one world"
Since you are but one of 6 billion + people in this world, I actually do think you have a serious case of tunnel vision if you are only going to look at the situation based on your own, limited experiences. In my experience, people are doing far better today than they were, say in, 1977, when unemployment was around 9% and inflation in double digits. However, I know better than to rely just on what I perceive around me; I look at overall trends and statistics. They aren't perfect, but they informative and I suggest you approach them with an open-mind rather than with some half-based, preconceived notions about isolationism and quasi-socialist economic thought.
Secondly, about the US not having a monopoly on innovative ideas: I never claimed that the US did have a "monopoly" in this area, I simply made the point that that is where our best advantage lays. For some reason, some people keep pretending that the loss of manufacturing is some sort of new thing in this country - it isn't. As to ideas not creating new jobs, nothing could be further from the truth. Again, look at the pioneering innovation that took place in Silicon Valley in the 80's and 90's. The development of computer technology, software, and the Internet is indeed a "whole cloth" invention created almost entirely by US and Japanese innovation, and as such, it has added hundreds of thousands of jobs to those two economies. The US is also currently leading the way in research in high-tech areas such as nanotechnology and biotechnology. It has even recently started to catch up to Japan in the area of robotics. And finally, almost every innovation in manufacturing over the past 50 years has been developed from the ground-up in US university and corporate research labs.
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Originally posted by MtnScott:
Thank you HAYWARD79 for providing sound economic theory to this discussion.
Chrisisall
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Quote:Revel in all the statistics you want to pal, I'm sure they are a great comfort to you, and your VAST chair-bound 'UN-limited' experience. No need to get out into the world and talk to real people, those are just 'limiting' experiences. No, by all means, stay home in front of a computer and read the numbers that are meaningful; the Alliance would like if we all believed what we were told.
Originally posted by Hayward79:
I actually do think you have a serious case of tunnel vision if you are only going to look at the situation based on your own, limited experiences. I know better than to rely just on what I perceive around me; I look at overall trends and statistics.
I come in contact with hundreds of people every day in this college town that I live in, many from outside the country, and talking with them is further limiting me it seems. I'm also very young, as it only takes most of the fingers of only one hand to count the decades I've been wittness to, so my perspective hasn't had time to develope. And, I've never been to Hawaii or Alaska, so how can I hope to know the whole country (Magnum P.I. and Northern Exposure aside...)?
At least I can refrain from calling you an idiot; you're new here, and I don't know you very well.
(I'm trying to break out of my tunnel-vision-like assessments of people)
Chrisisall, who was a little more gracious as a brand newbie...(at least I hope I was
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Most estimates Iv read have put China as the worlds number 1 economy in as little as 10 years. Militarily it is hard to say so I won’t comment.
Thing is, all estimates about Chinas growth as great world power, and indeed all estimates about the US’s decline fail to take into account the fact that the worlds supply of oil is slowly but surely running out. Within ten years the entire global economy could be thrown into chaos by the soaring price of oil. In that situation emerging world power will be Russia (Who are sitting on the world largest supplies of untapped oil)
It like every power and economist on earth has their fingers in their ears and is chanting “It won’t run out. It won’t run out.”
So if the oil remains the century belongs to China. If it runs out, for a time its Russias, then where all doomed. Well except France who actually generates enough Nuclear power to survive without oil. Well until one of there reactors blows up and irradiates most of Europe.
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Who do you suppose is in there?
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Fact.
Last September China became the number 2 Industrial power in the world.
Fact.
China is the #2 holder of US Debt. Japan is #1.
Most American's don't care about God, Family, the USA as much as they care about $$$$.
Don't believe me, how many 3 day a week church going Christians buy Made In China because it's 10% cheaper, even though China is Communist and bans religion? Walmart is the #1 importer of Chinese goods.
China could sink our economy overnight by calling in our debt. True, it would hurt them, but who do you think take poverty better, them or us.
Japan and Russia at least say they are our friends, but China hasn't even pretended to, yet we ignore it.
Japanese people think they make better 'Americans' then we do, the Chinese don't like us.
All you need for the success of evil is for good people to do nothing.
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Quote:Who cares that the Chinese government doesn't like us? We know all their secret Kung-Fu moves now, and can turn this to our advantage!
Originally posted by RC71:
Japan and Russia at least say they are our friends, but China hasn't even pretended to, yet we ignore it.
Chrisisall Caine
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"Most estimates Iv read have put China as the worlds number 1 economy in as little as 10 years."
Well, then they weren't basing their esimated on total GDP, and I'm not sure what a more relevant criteria there would be in determining the #1 economy. The Economist did a study in 2003 I think that said if China averages 8-10% GDP growth over the next 20 years, and the US averages 3-4% growth, then China's economy will still only be 1/4 the size of the US economy. I will try to find the link to the article and will post it.
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