Why is it that Firefly/Serenity is so appealing and just so ruttin' beautiful to YOU???

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MISBEHAVIN

Saturday, December 10, 2005 4:41 PM

I love Firefly/Serenity because it's Science Fiction that's more interested in exploring the characters than explaining quantium flux inverter-transducer coils.

Joss created people that I can be interested in and like even though they're capable of doing unlikeable things or being very weak. They may fly spaceships but they're people like us. Nobody has evolved beyond trivial concerns like finding a way to pay for food and fuel. People are the same 500 years in the future as they were 500 years in the past. This is a world where the good guys don't always try to understand the person who's trying to kill them; they just shoot back. Sometimes they may even shoot first.

I love it because it doesn't talk down to the audience. We're expected to use our brains. Spaceships may undock from other ships while "upside down." Explosions occur in space accompanied only by haunting music. We're expected to remember what happened in a previous episode and what motivates a character.

I love it for the fans. This is a fan base where people buy copies of a DVD just to lend out, or try to purchase a coat from the show not for themselves but for the actor that wore it, or drive hours just to see the movie one more time.

VIOLETRIX

Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:19 PM

i read somewhere that joss whedon didn't want aliens because he wanted to illustrate that our problems are still our problems, even 500 years in the future. i really liked that. without the distraction of some alien species that's smarter, faster or more enlightened than we are, firefly presents a universe that is still so familiar, without being just a "western in space."
i've tried to explain this show to my best friend, and somehow "western in space" doesn't quite ring true. it's more than that, like literature, you know? not like a tv show. or something.

whatever, i like the lack of aliens. oh, and i like adam baldwin doing pull-ups in shindig.

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LOUGOJIRA

Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:43 PM

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i read somewhere that joss whedon didn't want aliens because he wanted to illustrate that our problems are still our problems, even 500 years in the future. i really liked that. without the distraction of some alien species that's smarter, faster or more enlightened than we are, firefly presents a universe that is still so familiar, without being just a "western in space."

I believe I either read the same article or something real close, because I remember Joss talking about pretty much making a deliberate effort in keeping aliens out his sci-fi show. If I remember right, he joked about "bumpy foreheads" while discussing it. Wish I could remember where that article was...and I can't help but wonder how many Star Trek fans he probably pissed off with the comment. *lol*

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i've tried to explain this show to my best friend, and somehow "western in space" doesn't quite ring true. it's more than that, like literature, you know? not like a tv show. or something.

I know exactly what you mean. I ran into a guy I used to work with at the theatre and had a similar set-back. He was there with his date to see Elizabethtown, and I was there by myself (I couldn't talk any Bro's into seeing the same movie YET AGAIN) to see Serenity for the third time. We shook hands, passed formalities, then I asked him what he was there to see. When he told me, I said he should see Serenity instead. When he asked me what it was about...honest to God...I drew blank! Reason being, I didn't know where to begin! He'd already bought his tickets, so it was too late, but I can't help but wonder how bad my tongue-tying made the movie seem to him.

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whatever, i like the lack of aliens. oh, and i like adam baldwin doing pull-ups in shindig.

I hear you...same here...though I'm not exactly on the same page as you are about Adam Baldwin. The man's a damn fine actor, Jayne is one of the coolest characters ever, but as Mal said: "I lean toward women-folk." Speaking of which, and on the subject of "Shindig", I liked the way Jewel Staite looked in that ball room dress! Little girl next-door managed to drop my jaw and put all those other girls at that dance to shame! Even Inara should've been worried.

VIOLETRIX

Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:50 PM

after i watched serenity (which was before i watched the entire series) i tried to get my sister and her husband to go see it. my brother-in-law likes anything action-y, but my sister hears "scifi" and rejects it out of hand. so one week, she came out to stay with me for some thing she had to do, and since i had her captive, i made her watch the first three episodes of firefly. and now she's telling me to buy the movie for her husband for christmas. it was my first conversion, and i had only bought the dvd set a couple of weeks before.

so explaining it doesn't seem to work, but showing it to people makes converts.

and as for adam doing pullups: i could so watch that all day long. i had liked him before in the xfiles but it wasn't until firefly that i was like, "well, hello there."

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LOUGOJIRA

Monday, December 12, 2005 1:15 AM

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so explaining it doesn't seem to work, but showing it to people makes converts.

You are so right. I've got a Bro here in town that is a dyed in the wool "Japanophile". Great guy and has a good heart, but if a show or movie isn't Japanese, or at least Asian, it's hard to get him interested. I don't quite understand the nature of such beasts, but strangely he's not alone.

Anyway, he came by the house just last night and wanted to show me his latest tape his brother-in-law in Japan had sent him. Like a sport, I sat through two episodes of Magi Ranger (the show's not all that bad and has some cool effects, kind of a mix between Harry Potter and Power Rangers, if you can imagine that kind of combo, I just couldn't understand a word of any of it *lol*), but when it was over, I too sort of took the "hold hostage" approach, and had him sit through the first two episodes of Firefly. I'd tried to talk the show up a few times before with little to no interest out of him, but after those episodes were over he admitted that he liked it. He even went on to start asking questions about the characters. Like you say, seeing the show is the best way to convert.

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and as for adam doing pullups: i could so watch that all day long. i had liked him before in the xfiles but it wasn't until firefly that i was like, "well, hello there."

Then I guess you appreciated the "cheesecake" in the "Jayne's Town" episode when he had his shirt off and was taping the gun to his waist as well?

I have to say, it's pretty dang cool to see such a fan of Adam "Jayne" Baldwin! I remember reading a thread a little while back where all the ladies talked about which guys on the show they liked best...and I was kinda' disappointed that Jayne seemed to rank so low amongst them. After reading the thread, I felt like maybe Jayne was a sort of "for the guys" type of character...not necessarily one that was supposed to appeal to the ladies. Glad to know I was wrong!

KYLENBLADE

Monday, December 12, 2005 1:44 AM

God, what aspect of the show isnt there to like? The stories, the characters, the wild west meets sci-fi setting... everything is very appealing to me. I think the combination of all those different factors allows me to feel completely immersed in the world. Just sorta makes me feel like once we achive the ability to do something like this, this is what it would be like. There are just so many aspects of human nature sewn into the stories that you cant help but identify with it on some level.

Hey! You're back! And there's your front too!

VIOLETRIX

Monday, December 12, 2005 3:57 AM

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I felt like maybe Jayne was a sort of "for the guys" type of character...not necessarily one that was supposed to appeal to the ladies.

jayne is pretty basic. he's not going to try to talk to you about your feelings or anything, which is nice. that character is just, you know, hot and he's kinda stupid and he's got a big gun. i guess ten years ago, in high school, the character of mal would have been more my speed, with his talking and his feeling and his intellect. all of these things are great! but the jayne character, he's just so... basic is a good word. just big and kinda stupid and morally ambiguous and proficient with weapons. it's an attractive character to someone who's burnt out on hamlet. oh! and the clincher for me was in "our mrs. reynolds" when jayne says: "that's why i never kiss 'em on the mouth." so hot, for some reason.

and yes, i loved the cheesecake shot in "jaynestown". i actually converted a good friend of mine to firefly on that episode and that particular shot alone. it was funny to watch her watch that.
i noticed that there's not as much of a jayne-obsession as i thought there would be. i'm new to this firefly phenomenon, but i just expected more... i don't know. rabid adam baldwin worship or something. maybe i'm just terribly shallow, and everyone has much more cerebral reasons for loving this show.
it's cool. i can live with that.

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NCBROWNCOAT

Monday, December 12, 2005 4:10 AM

I'm more a Mal type of woman but I really did enjpy the Adam shirtless scene in Jaynestown(and the big grunt when he pull the adhesive off-I cringed a bit )like I also enjoyed Sean's shirtless scenes in Objects in Space or the last scene of the BDM.

LOUGOJIRA

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:13 AM

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Originally posted by violetrix:
i noticed that there's not as much of a jayne-obsession as i thought there would be. i'm new to this firefly phenomenon, but i just expected more... i don't know. rabid adam baldwin worship or something. maybe i'm just terribly shallow, and everyone has much more cerebral reasons for loving this show.
it's cool. i can live with that.

You? Shallow? No way in hell! A girl who likes Firefly AND Skynyrd AND who's favorite guy on the show is Jayne?! Ma'am, you are not even a shade of the word "shallow", and truth be told I wish you lived a lot closer!

Don't sweat a thing though...I'm new to this whole Firefly obsession myself...and it's still amazing me how fast and how deeply I fell for all of it. At least you have a clear-cut and single guy on the show you like! Heck, me...well, I still don't have that one favorite girl because River and Kaylee are pretty much staying neck n' neck! *lol* Kaylee because she's that sexy "girl next door" type that'd just be downright fun to be with and would still be hot first thing in the morning, and River because she's just so petite, cute, and likes going barefoot!

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i actually converted a good friend of mine to firefly on that episode and that particular shot alone. it was funny to watch her watch that.

Hey...whatever works! I got a guy I know over the internet who lives in Peru hooked on the show by pointing out the girls. I've always heard that sex tends to sell...and obviously the saying holds true!

LOUGOJIRA

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:20 AM

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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
I'm more a Mal type of woman but I really did enjpy the Adam shirtless scene in Jaynestown(and the big grunt when he pull the adhesive off-I cringed a bit )like I also enjoyed Sean's shirtless scenes in Objects in Space or the last scene of the BDM.

I remember Joss saying in the commentary in "Objects in Space" that he got a bunch of thank you letters for filming Simon minus his shirt.

Obviously this is a big appeal for us fans...going on the last few posts...the choices in the cast! The ladies like the guy characters, and the girls are all hotties...as viewers, whether you're male or female...we're ALL winners!

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