Political crap over here!
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I scored 130, and I'm an idiot.
(It's been said)
Genius-challenged Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Auraptor:
Is it even funnier that Bush is smarter than Kerry? I mean, based on their Yale undergrad courses and grades, along w/ the Intelligence test which both took, Bush scored higher than Kerry.
This would be funny if true. Do you have any sources to back this up? I'm being serious here. I'd laugh my ass off if you had proof of this.
Right now, late in life, I'd have to grant Kerry does seem to fall into that all encompassing category "smarter than Bush." But that's not saying much, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. I tend to go by vocabulary usage, which I admit is a primative tool, but an amazingly effective one. It's very seldom wrong, except in the case of autistics, and that is neither of these doofs.
But prove to me that Kerry is indeed, or was in college, dumber than Bush and my hat's off. Kerry's not on my favorite people list, and 'dumber than bush' would be a great one to add to it.
That said, Bush is still a moron.
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I found a very long article which attempted to correlate SATs, military IQ "type" tests and (to some extent) grades with IQs. It was less than convincing. I would post it but it's far too long. Just google 'bush kerry iq'. It should be first on the list.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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We've been talking about this some at the Serenity board.
Personally I don't think he's as dumb as he acts. He doesn't seem particularly bright either, but I try not to let his airheaded public persona influence my perception of his intelligence unduly. I think that Bush, much like the prototypical "Dumb Blonde" has learned his bubba schtick as a defense mechanism. I've heard older debates and speeches he's made and he clearly has greater aptitude for public speaking than he utilizes as president.
But the stammering, the mis-statements, the awkward humor, etc.. they basically make it impossible to hold him accountable for anything he says. It also engenders a folksy, drinking-buddy image that makes a lot of people feel comfortable. I just think he's learned it's safer bumbling around the way he does and it's a helluva lot easier. Why bother being explicit and clear when it's going to be held against you at your next press conference? There's a certain political advantage in having most of what you say written of as pablum generated by your handlers.
SergeantX
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Quote:I've always sorta felt that.
Originally posted by SergeantX:
But the stammering, the mis-statements, the awkward humor, etc.. they basically make it impossible to hold him accountable for anything he says. It also engenders a folksy, drinking-buddy image that makes a lot of people feel comfortable. I just think he's learned it's safer bumbling around the way he does and it's a helluva lot easier.
But smarter than stupid still ain't sayin' a lot
Chrisisall, one of the thousand points of light
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This would be funny if true. Do you have any sources to back this up? I'm being serious here. I'd laugh my ass off if you had proof of this.
Well, here's one article. Kerry's grades are described as 'lackluster'.
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Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire
While the article goes into some detail about Kerry's grades, it barely mentions Bush, mainly toward the end.
Quote:(Kerry received 4 D's, all in his freshman year, while at Yale.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_
. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy.
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And then there's this....
Quote:http://txfx.net/2004/10/25/bush-had-higher-iq-than-kerry
Mr. Bush’s score on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test at age 22 again suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120’s, putting Mr. Bush in about the 95th percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry’s I.Q. was about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer’s extrapolation of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.
Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called it a creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. “People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can’t understand,” Professor Gottfredson said
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I tend to go by vocabulary usage, which I admit is a primative tool, but an amazingly effective one. It's very seldom wrong, except in the case of autistics, and that is neither of these doofs.
I'm not sure this is as accurate a tool as you think it is. There's a difference between the way you use language in a prepared speech, in written form, and off the cuff. Everybody does better at some of these than others--restricting your opinion of someone to their off-the-cuff speaking ability seems a little unfair.
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But prove to me that Kerry is indeed, or was in college, dumber than Bush and my hat's off...That said, Bush is still a moron.
These kinds of discussions always make me remember a concept from a Sociology class I took. Selective Processing: people tend to interpret information according the beliefs they already hold. To wit: if one already believes Bush to be intelligent, they'll take a test score as evidence of Bush's intelligence. To someone who already thinks Bush a moron, that same test score is merely evidence of faulty testing. These things never matter. Each side just walks away more convinced of their own opinion.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I tend to go by vocabulary usage, which I admit is a primative tool, but an amazingly effective one. It's very seldom wrong, except in the case of autistics, and that is neither of these doofs
Yep, seems your mistake is a common one, made by many.
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Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called it a creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. - “People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can’t understand,”
Translation: Kerry sounds much smarter than he is in reality.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Have you ever listened to Kerry?
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I still think vocab is a good measure. Not perfect as I said, but it beats anything else I have to go on. Anyone telling you specifics are going to have an agenda on one side or the other.
I just think it's funny. I liked the picture juxtaposition. It's entirely possible Bush did better than Kerry in school. I'm not predisposed to like either one of them, I think everyone here knows I hate them both intensely.
Yes, I've listened to Kerry's speeches, even before he ran for president. I've also heard Bush's, from before he ran for president. There's several things I've found here.
1. Both were much more intelligent.
2. Bush in particular has gotten dumber, but I know people who know him, and they say he really has gotten dumber, like he's back on drugs or something. He used to be coherent.
3. The idea that Bush is an intellectual match for Kerry is beyond absurd, I just think it's funny.
4. Kerry is an intellectual, something which can lead one to think that they are smarter than they are.
5. Bush is an ex-elist phony cowboy, but really he's a druggie. Whatever ability he once had is now just a fog. clearly without constant monitoring he is hopeless.
6. I'm not predisposed to think either is particularly smart. Kerry does have some understand of international politics, but he's also been drastically wrong on occassion. By comparison, Bush can not figure out how to hold a hammer.
Here's a little insight I think I've gained into Bush's brain. Once, there was a brain. It knew stuff. It worked, it played, and it played some more. Mostly it played golf. Then along came the happy dope. There were some happy times with the happy dope. Now everything is a fog. The brain knows that it once knew stuff, but it can't seem to find it again. So it wanders through the fog waiting for someone to pull it in the right direction.
This brain has friends. Dick and Condi. Dick is not a good friend, but he's a powerful one, and a very smart one. Dick has plans, and he tells the brain what to do. Condi is a good friend, possibly an orgasm friend, and a very smart one. She tells the brain what it wants to hear because she is not powerful, and she wants to be powerful. She has ideas that are sometimes better than Dick's but she has no influence, so she supports torture too.
There are other friends, and they are always leading the brain in a direction. Sometimes it seems like they're all going in different directions, and the brain feels like it will be torn apart. This is when money is good. Follow the money, the brain remembers this thought. But sometimes there is no money, and there's nothing but debt and it's everywhere, and then the brain just wants to shrivel up into a little pink raison. But then it remembers the happy dope and it forgets all about debt and money and torture, and it's happy foggy brain again.
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