Voiceover or not? and IS Deckard a replicant?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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FOLLOWMAL

Sunday, December 4, 2005 8:57 PM

Glad you reactivated it, Chrisisall. I knew as soon as I saw the thread title it was one of yours.

I have not watched the Director's Cut for awhile, I'll do so again tonight and really see what I think. But from memory... don't like the voice over and I always believed Deckard was a replicant. I saw Bladerunner in the theater when it came out ( boy that really dates me) and I thought he was when I left the theater. Gut instinct I guess or followed the clues to that conclusion. I was relieved when Scott admitted it at a later date.

I love these movie threads you start!

Also, "Bladerunner" was my favorite scifi movie too, until "Serenity".

This is a stimulating conversation folks...

"...all those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain." Roy Batty

CHRISISALL

Monday, December 5, 2005 1:25 AM

I'm still on my fence about it. But like Zoid pointed out, it doesn't matter, and that's the beauty of the film.

P.S., I saw it in the theatre, too (but I'm not past my expiration date)

Now, when do we get the special edition Chrisisall

FOLLOWMAL

Monday, December 5, 2005 2:11 AM

Stopped by my Mom's house this evening to visit a little, told her about this thread and she says she NEVER thought Deckard was a replicant! So...

YEA, when does that special edition come out!?

FollowMal... waiting for THAT with interest!

INIRE

Monday, December 5, 2005 4:54 AM

in the voiceover version, I would have never thought of him being a replicant, but having just seen the directors cut (and having had some talkin' to by a huge fan of that version), i can see why there could be a case made for him being one of them.

'course, he did get his a$$ kicked by roy....

REGINAROADIE

Monday, December 5, 2005 6:07 AM

I think the real question is, do we care?

I think I am the only person I know who doesn't like BLADE RUNNER at all. I've seen the "improved" director's cut and all that, and have read about how BLADE RUNNER was ahead of its time and revolutionary and one of the best sci-fi movies ever made and the ONLY good adaptation of a Phillip K. Dick story.

But for me, it's just a bunch of pretty visuals and good music. The plot line is unengaging, the characters are just blah, and the whole thing moves with the pace of a glacier.

I know most of you are gonna be pissed at what I have to say, but I've honestly tried. And I can't see the awesomeness everyone else sees.

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SERGEANTX

Monday, December 5, 2005 6:15 AM

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
...I know most of you are gonna be pissed at what I have to say, but I've honestly tried. And I can't see the awesomeness everyone else sees.

I can't see why anyone would be pissed at you for not liking it. Your complaints are in line with many of the reviews for it when it first aired.

Personally I do happen to think it's one of the greatest films of all time, and definitely the best sci-fi movie. But I'm a sucker for big metaphor and tragedy. Blade Runner fairly drips with both. Plus I prefer movies that take their time. For me, the visuals and music were just icing on the cake.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CHRISISALL

Monday, December 5, 2005 2:26 PM

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
I know most of you are gonna be pissed at what I have to say, but I've honestly tried. And I can't see the awesomeness everyone else sees.

Would ya be pissed at me for saying that I think 2001 is Kubrick's worst movie, and is just a collection of awsome visuals stitched together with little or no plot?

We've all got our own opinions, and sometimes a flick just doesn't 'reach' us. And sometimes it depends richly on what we bring to the party. Objectivly, I can say Firestarter isn't a great movie, but I love it, in no small part due to having the novel in my head to fill in the blanks as I watch it.

So no, I don't think most of us are pissed.
(But, dis Serenity, and all bets are off)

Leon Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, December 5, 2005 2:39 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
The one thing I think you've missed WRT Rachel and Deckard is the line by Tyrell "the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long." Roy has a limited lifespan as a byproduct of his enhanced abilities, but that's ok he's a soldier model and expendable.

I've mulled it over, and now I think that Tyrell was gettin' all metaphorical-like to try and talk his way out almost certain death; increased strength and intelligence wouldn't limit duration of oganic function, that's just the expiration date stamped into the genom.

Chrisisall, a real genetic scientist

FLETCH2

Monday, December 5, 2005 9:02 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fletch2:
The one thing I think you've missed WRT Rachel and Deckard is the line by Tyrell "the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long." Roy has a limited lifespan as a byproduct of his enhanced abilities, but that's ok he's a soldier model and expendable.

I've mulled it over, and now I think that Tyrell was gettin' all metaphorical-like to try and talk his way out almost certain death; increased strength and intelligence wouldn't limit duration of oganic function, that's just the expiration date stamped into the genom.

Chrisisall, a real genetic scientist

Well two things here.

First, almost no TV or movie scifi is writen by anyone that knows anything about the subject. So just because as someone versed in science it doesnt seem reasonable doesn't mean that IN THAT WORLD that isn't how things work just because the writers didn't know any better. It's like the 'verse being one big solar system, if you look into the habitable zones around stars there is no way a single star could support so many worlds. It exists because that was the way it was writen.

Second, unless we missed the line about a nuclear power source these guys work by burning food in air. To get the power we've observed they would need a high speed metabolism and that would accelerate the cell damage. If we assume that the weakness of Tyrell's technique is the relacement of damaged cells then the more "juice" you have the more damage you do and the quicker you die.

As to your point about Tyrell playing with Roy -- yes I can see that. When I saw the movie the first time I had believed up until that point that replicants were DESIGNED to expire that early. From dialogue elsewhere it seems like the Nexus series were used offworld and had access to the industrial and military resources that kept the wet, run down earth supplied. If the replicants know that they will die in 4 years it gives them less opertunity to either rebel against their masters or seize the outer colonies for themselves. I had assumed that 4 years was the fail safe to ensure that these "beter" people didnt usurp us....

maybe it was?

CHRISISALL

Monday, December 5, 2005 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
To get the power we've observed they would need a high speed metabolism and that would accelerate the cell damage.

True, faster metabolism can lead to higher levels of free-radical production and shorter life span in general, but consider a professional weightlifter: weighs twice as much as a paper-pushing counter-part, eats twice to three times as much, but can be three to five times as strong. Life span with good nutrition averages between 5 to 7 years shorter. Now take into account being genetically 'amped up', and we might find only about a ten year difference in actual lifespans, with metabolism up 20% and strength up to 8 times norm.

Chrisisall, PHDuh

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