Best. Villain. Ever.
POSTED BY: MikeyMo
UPDATED: Monday, December 16, 2024 19:59
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Wasn't the "same lie twice" bit between Garak and Bashir?
ETA: Uh, yeah. See above. 
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"One kind of villain we don't see very often, which I consider to be the best kind, are ones that make the protagonist question his or her own beliefs, an adversary who is able to weaken the protagonist’s resolve and will not just through intimidation, coercion, or superiority of force but through an ideology that is seemingly superior to that of the protagonist’s, even if it is somewhat twisted."
I have to agree with you on that point GEH. The best villians have always been the manipulators. The ones who use psychology or intitutions of power to take down a foe. Nothing is more ironic than having the hero being defeated by the very system he or she has sworn to protect.
As to the kind of villian that you were talking about, I think The First from the last season of Buffy fits the bill. During the last season you had a seemingly unstoppable foe, Caleb (played by our own Nathan Fillion) and a legion of demon foes. In terms of Buffy it was mostly been there, done that. But what made it really intersting was The First. Though it had no physical powers, it could assume the shape of any dead person (including undead vampires or those who died and came back to life) and knew everything about you, espicially your weakness's.
It's doctrine was that it was evil itself and therfore eternal. No matter how many battles you win or foes you defeat ill be here. Because you as the slayer don't exist without me. But I go on after your dead and buried. The psych warfare it causes is unrelenting. It causes one person to commit suicide just by talking to her. Buffy's resolve not to mention the morale of her allies is severly shakened. Which makes here eventual triumph all that more sweet because in the end despite all the doubts and fears, she and her friends remain true to their cause and fight on in spite of the odds.
In the end, their determination is so astounding that it suprises even The First as Buffy tells it to buzz off. That was a most satisfying end to a great show. And Joss desearves big kudos for coming up with such an interesting concept for a villian.
PS. I want to make sure I mention The Operative From the BDM. What perfect foil for Mal. He really is the exact opposite of him. And it was just so creepy how much he wants people to feel good about themselves even while he's killing them. The dude was living proof that fanatical belief is dangerous thing (as if we a need movie to tell us that these days).
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I especially like villains, or adversaries not necessarily villains, who actually make the protagonist change his or her beliefs rather than adversaries who simply strengthen the protagonist’s faith in his or her beliefs.
The Ori from SG1 had the potential to be such a villain, to be one of the best villains in Stargate perhaps even all of sci-fi but so far they have failed to fulfill that potential.
Plus I like villains who think differently than other villains, ones who actually have foresight. There are plenty of comic books and sci-fi stories where the super villain tries to take over the world by going back to World War 2 and siding with the Nazis, giving them advanced technology and help them against the Allies. My kind of super villains would actually pick the winning team and align themselves with the Allies or the Soviets to be more specific. Help Stalin build advanced war machines to crush the Axis power and conquer… I mean liberate all of Europe and Asia so that the Soviet Union will emerge from the war as the savior of humanity and sole super power of the world. That’s an insidious and diabolical plot for world domination worthy of a true super villain mastermind.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Top 3 villians, eh?
1. The Emperor (Star Wars). Sure, Vader's cooler, but he was the puppet. The Emperor was infinitely more sinister and creepy.
2. Doc Ock (Spidey 2). Best comic villian ever.
3. Hans Gruber (Die Hard). Sophisticated. Smart. Evil. Plus, he did a pretty good American accent in a pinch.
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"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"
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Oh that's so easy. 
lets go with
1. The Senior Partners- evil, evil people who just happened to bring into their employ everyone's favorite (well my favoirte) crew member Jayne!! (Ok except he's Hamilton but stil!!...)
2. Yeah 2 is The Mayor- he is so deliciously 50's and yet evil, but also a great father-figure.
3. The Borg- scary and evil and you have to love them.
"I'll be in my bunk"
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Quote:I’m always surprised at how nice evil looks without its makeup. Take for instance cute adorable Daveigh Chase:
Originally posted by Thanatus:
BTW..."Satan" is actually quite hot, no? Proof...
Whom you may or may not know as the actress who played Samara Morgan, the particularly unnerving villainess in The Ring :
(I tried to post these images as urls, but I'm obviously doing something wrong.)
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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That clown from "Stephen King's It". Never could walk by a sewer drain without being very cautious as a kid since I saw that movie.
"It's just an object."
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Darth Vader: Star Wars
Kurtz: Apocylapse (sp) Now
The Operative: Serenity
Jackie Boy: Sin City
Hans Gruber: Die Hard
I aim to misbehave
-Mal-
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The first villian to really scare me was the Wicked Witch from The Wizard of Oz. Every time it was on tv when I was a child I would run screaming from the room when she would dispatch the flying monkeys to get Dorothy.
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