Dark Angel: could it REALLY be wrapped up in a final movie, and if so- would it satisfy?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Sunday, November 27, 2005 19:50
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They didn't really drop it; it just took kind of a back seat to other elements...
I would have liked them to explore it more, though.
Chrisisall, Maxfan no matter
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Glad to hear Alec isn't missing out :) Sorry if I was a bit abrasive but he was the best character on the show (IMHO). I liked how he lived in the grey area, while Max was all self-righteous all the time and it just drove me nuts. And Logan seemed to think that Max was always right even though he sometimes treated her like a child, explaining things clearly for her (and the audience). Aren't X5s supposed to be super smart? I don't think neither Max or Alec were particularly intelligent. Max was supposed to be the brawn and Logan the brains, which was a nice subversion of the usual cliches. Giving Logan the ability to walk just wrecked that, IMO, and the scene in Freak Nation where Logan saves Alec makes my blood boil.
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And the apocalypse thing, would you have it hit, and start killing huge numbers of people before Max could stop it? Would you tie Max into a Christ-like scenerio (like Neo in Matrix Revulsions, er, Revolutions)?
Hmm I haven't really decided... Gotta say, the later Matrix movies are a blur to me. They both sucked and I had no idea what was going on. Vaguely remember a scene with lots of CGI at the end there though...
Yeah my ideas are very non specific and keep changing. I figure if Max has to be the Chosen One then she should at least be a martyr and die for her people. ;) I guess I would bring in elements of Christianity (even though myself I'm an atheist) but I like the plagues of Egypt (Exodus 7) so these are:
1. Rivers and other water turned to blood for seven days
2. A plague of frogs
3. Handfuls of dust turned into a plague of lice
4. Flies
5. Pestilence killing off the livestock
6. Boils unhealable by medical priests
7. Hail and fire destroying crops
8. Locusts consuming all remaining crops
9. Three days of darkness
10. Death of the firstborn sons
All very morbid and creepifying. :)
Also I had a plan for Logan that involved him becoming addicted to transgenic blood transfusions, kind of like what happened to Riley in Buffy near the end... he would be addicted first to ensure he could keep walking without the stupid pants, and then as a way of keeping himself alive when the plague is killing everyone. I didn't like Logan so would be happy to kill him off too although if I was going to kill off Max I would probably keep Logan alive and miserable, sitting in the corner in his wheelchair, waiting out the apocalypse, dying slowly as opposed to those normal humans who didn't force transgenics to give them blood transfusions. Did I not mention that this was not done voluntarily by transgenics? I had this whole story around this X6 girl who was on a field mission when Manticore went down and was liviing with a foster family of sorts, and she killed them, and Logan found out, but he said he wouldn't tell anyone she was a murderer (and not hand her over to the cops) if she gave him blood transfusions to keep him strong. And then Alec finds out and stops the transfusions and Max is all torn between loyalty to her people/mutants and to Logan, and there's this whole grey area behind it, cause Alec defends the X6 by saying that she was forced to do bad things by Manticore, but then it turns out that she was on the run from manticore because she was NOT supposed to kill these people... and so on. Like I said, I don't have the details worked out yet. My main problem with writing DA fic is that I don't really like many of the show's characters (except Alec and White) so I made up a bunch of my own, which is amusing for me but not so much for other fans of the show.
Okay rant over, I should probably get back to work, which is what I'm supposed to be doing :)
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I'm afraid I'm a traditionalist; I work w/the characters as is. White is great, but he's no Lydecker. And Alec is comic relief, unless you watch Berrisford Agenda.
Gotta bounce
Chrisisall
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The series might be resolved if the movie has a $300 million budget and is written and directed by James Cameron but since James Cameron is busy making Battle Angel Alita and is in talks to make True Lies 2 and Terminator 4, a Dark Angel movie probably won't happen.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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The series might be resolved if the movie has a $300 million budget and is written and directed by James Cameron
This assumes that James Cameron has a master plan for the series over and above coming up with the show's basic premise. Call me a cynic but I don't believe that. The writers totally lost the plot in this show, just look at the continuity problems between seasons, heck even between episodes... (That said I hold nothing against Jose Molina who has done some great work on Firefly and must have found it refreshing to work with people who cared about continuity and having plausible characters and storylines.) I don't have much faith in JC, sorry but it's true. I think his pacing stinks. But I've already said that so I will move along.
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And Alec is comic relief, unless you watch Berrisford Agenda.
Um... really? Then what is Joshua if not an attempt at comic relief that doesn't really work? Alec has more depth than Joshua. He may have been used as comic relief from time to time, but only because Max and Logan and all the other characters are unable to provide any so it all gets dumped on Alec, and Ackles is just so darn good at it, he's got the great comedic timing, so they threw more and more at him. But there is a lot more to that character than mere comic relief. The writers kept ignoring him and trying to just have him around to bug Max but despite that and even if you leave aside the Berrisford Agenda, Alec came through as one of (if not the) best character on that show. (And I'm not just saying this becuase Jensen Ackles definitively "moves my furniture" ... phwoar..) But moving on, what about Hello, Goodbye when he finds out about Ben, or Bag 'em when he tries to sell out the other transgenics but can't bring himself to kill an X5? Or Love Among the Runes when he is hanging out with the other X5 Biggs, who is later killed and Alec and Joshua are the ones who go out and avenge his death while Max mopes around complaining about the virus and her weird rune tattoos...
As for White and Lydecker: Deck had a more interesting backstory and better connection to the characters and plot, but White had more charisma. IMO.
I guess that's why I'm no good at writing fanfic. If I dont' like the characters I get bored of them and make up my own :) and if I do, I find them even harder to write for because I consider them real people and don't like putting words into their mouths. It's a catch 22 so mostly, I keep my fanfic to myself. Maybe I should go back to doing that :)
I hope at the end of the day though, we can all agree that DA was a great show that failed to live up to its potential and ended far too soon.
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Quote:I know what you mean, it's like reading isn't real, you have to SEE them say something, or it somehow ain't completely right.
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I find them even harder to write for because I consider them real people and don't like putting words into their mouths.
I hope at the end of the day though, we can all agree that DA was a great show that failed to live up to its potential and ended far too soon.
I was hard on Alec, your points are all valid. That's why they figgured out a way to have him in the 2nd season, he was so good as Ben.
Lastly, I think it just touched it's potential in Freak Nation, a third season would have rocked!
Weepy transgenic Chrisisall
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The series might be resolved if the movie has a $300 million budget and is written and directed by James Cameron
This assumes that James Cameron has a master plan for the series over and above coming up with the show's basic premise. Call me a cynic but I don't believe that. The writers totally lost the plot in this show, just look at the continuity problems between seasons, heck even between episodes... (That said I hold nothing against Jose Molina who has done some great work on Firefly and must have found it refreshing to work with people who cared about continuity and having plausible characters and storylines.) I don't have much faith in JC, sorry but it's true. I think his pacing stinks. But I've already said that so I will move along.
How dare you doubt James Cameron, the great lord and master of all sci-fi action movies? Nary was there a plan for an Alien sequel yet a mighty sequel did James Cameron wrought. The Terminator was meant to stand as one but the penultimate action movie T2 was hailed. Never blaspheme against James Cameron again lest ye wish to be struck down by the wrath of time traveling cyborgs, xenomorphs, terrorists, and legions of teenage girls.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Heh :) What can I say? Sorry. Although I stand by my opinion but that's just mine.
I am still a little dubious as to what a 3rd season would have been like, but if they'd made one, I'd defiantely have watched it! :)
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