ITS TIME! Post How much you would personally give to Joss Whedon & Co. to get our Ship in the air AGAIN!
POSTED BY: TheAntiReaver
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 15:19
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I would give $50 per season.
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You are absolutely right XeroG. They failed, and I will tell you why.
Star Trek is scifi that alienates a lot of people. You either love it, hate it, or grew up with it, and a whole lot of people hate it and are luke warm on growing up with it. You might even say it has a stigma. And I am talking about the WHOLE franchise in general. Star trek is to me, and from what I gather many other people, the dwarf bread of science fiction; As long as you have it around, there is always something else to consume.
That said, Firefly is different on a lot of levels.
-Fireflys highest approval ratings came from
women, when poled. Star Trek rates highest with
men.
-Firefly has a much gritter less polished theme
-Firefly could be called anti-establishment in so far that the crew of firefly lives by doing things that the characters from Star Trek would toss your ass in the brig for.
-...The core cast is significantly smaller and easier to identify with
- ...There are no aliens, which also make the universe easier to identify with
-...it is far less predictable.
Yes, firefly is Scifi, but it is different more different than any other Trek Scifi out there. FUNDAMENTALLY.
To say otherwise would be to say something so ridiculas that it would be on par with saying Alfred Bester's novels were never widely embraced because they were jazzy existential pulp fiction.
I mean...yeah there is a grain of truth in that...but you are missing so much of the greater picture in your willingness to be pessimistic.
But anyways, I digress. What I meant to say is,
Go bloody nay say and bray about your lost trek flick somewhere else. I told you what I am trying to do, and if you don't want to be a part of it, don't waste my gorram time, sugar.
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$50 for first
$75 for second
$100 for third
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I personally am a fan of Kool aid. I also believe that if one decides to indulge in koolaid they should do so at their own risk, carefully guarding their beverage against tampering until consumption is complete, most especially in the company of crazy people. I don't think I am crazy, but the funny thing about crazy people is, most of the time they think they aren't crazy.
On a higher note we are now flying at $38 950 mock pledge dollars.
lets keep going.
If we can have a respectable amount of mock pledge money in 3 months I will start the actual website for collecting cash.
The site will have a contract where I explain in detail my obligations for the cash, and you give information for a refund if need be, But I doubt that will happen. I am doing this with the help of a friend who is a lawyer, and another who is a web designer. The intent of this is to make sure that you can absolutely trust me with that money, and have avenue of legal recourse to do so, until the time comes when I can fork over a big rubber check to Whedon.
But to be frank, it isn't worth my time, or the amount of Fees out of my pocket (yes I am still paying my friends for their time, just not as much as I would a stranger) if I don't have substantial numbers from a mock pledge and have began having dialogue with SciFi and Whedon. I can't have Dialogue with Whedon and SciFi until I have some credibility, SO;
I need the mock pledges and the website as big and bad as it can be. I will work on the website, You guys need to help me with advertising other sites and clueing in other flans. to this thread.
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I'd go to $75 per season, and so would my girlfriend, so make that $150 for this post.
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I gave this some thought the first time someone suggested it. Here's what I came up with.
1) Forget about a new TV season -- that would cost in excess of $40M and if we had that kind of money to spend Serenity would have made back what it needed for a sequel already. What we are talking about is a series of direct to DVD movies. SciFi can finace a schlocky TV movie for around $1.5M to get something that looks like Firefly we're talking at least $3M for the first one. If we can't raise that much dough then it's game over.
2) Everything depends on what the deal is between Fox and Universal. Did Uni only buy theatrical rights or did are they allowed to make DVD features too. This is crucial because we need Universal to make this series. Why? Well first up, before the acquisition by NBC Universal was an independent producer. Not tied to any network they will make things for anyone with money. Second and most importantly they have the ship! Fox destroyed their Serenity, so the only folks with prebuilt sets are Universal. I don't want to over state this but when someone says $2M an episode some part of that is a share of the cost of building the initial expensive sets. Serenity from the movie easily cost two or three million dollars which would be the entire production budget for a direct to DVD movie if it had to be built again from scratch. Without those sets I don't think we're in business.
3) Public donations to finance productions is done all the time in the theatre, people that put in money are called "Angels" and if the show is a success they make a profit if not they lose their money. A good entertainment lawyer familiar with theatre financing could probably set up the contracts needed to put this on a proper legal footing. The problem the Enterprise fans had and the reason Paramount panicked is that you can't just collect money and dump a sack of cash on a studio. If Bill Gates wanted a Serenity sequel tomorrow he couldn't just write a check and leave. They won't accept money from an individual or a front organization, they need a proper contract with a proper legal entity.
That being said. If we could organise this. I would invest $500 towards our $3M budget.
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1.) I was toying with the idea of just propping the money to Whedon and universal to make a mini series for SciFi's syndication, but the initial idea was that We would finance the pilot for a second season, and whedon would pitch it. If it was another 3 hour long pilot, like serenity was, that may work out well, if a bunch of small networks globally pitch in to the production fund for free syndication later, plus our cash, plus angel cash, plus maybe what universal was already willing to foot for this, we will more than likely have a 2nd series with legs.
2.)You are absolutely right. That was where my first ? was in setting this up. When I can afford to put a lawyer to this, I will.
3.) I have the lawyer , I just need to scrape his fees together. The idea was that in donating people would be signing on to a contract that they did so with the idea that the money was let to me in trust to insure it was put to use doing....(ie Joss Whedon has complete creative control, all characters return are cast as seen in the origenal show...etc. etc... ) what needs to be done in order to insure the pilot of a new series or, depending on the cash gathered, a new season, or a set of mini movies, or what have you.... That way everyone gets what they want within reason, and the cash is given with an outline of what is expected in return.
By the time the cash gets to a studio, We would need to have whedon on board for this with project proposals, then we give them a neat little package, they mull it over, and when I get the green light from Whedon &Co. that the criteria is satisfied, I fork over the cash...if that is not the case, and it looks like it will not be the case, I refund.
This will be done professionally. I have taken and will take many more, great pains to make sure of such...
The two biggest obstacles to this, for me, right now are, getting proof from the fans that this may work so my lawyer and web designer can work in good faith of payment, and then taking the time to figure out how the hell I am going to pay them after their work is done.
So yeah, that's where I am at right now.
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Why don't we somehow get Univeral, FOX, and Joss to sponsor just ONE episode?
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100% I would give minimum 100$ probably way more more...I need my firefly fix baby!
So
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